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erjpilot 07-21-2014 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 1688646)
No...and Yes.

It depends on what you want...ACMI vs. scheduled carrier.

See the world right away, with a relatively quick upgrade to captain (Atlas), or make more money and have more security (probably) (DAL/AA/UAL).

Want to be home every third or fourth day (Big 3), or be home in large blocks of days (Atlas). Atlas you can be gone 30 days, if you want, and I know two guys who had, basically, 60 days off in a row.

Have a schedule set in (almost) stone (Big 3), be willing to have your schedule change massively, on sometimes on an hourly basis (Atlas).

Go to a lot of domestic locations, and, when your seniority allows, a few overseas destinations (Big 3), go to places like Kyrgyz Republic, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Romania, Cape Verde, Republic of the Congo (French Congo), Russia, Iceland, Malta, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, India, Paraguay, Brasil, Chile, Ecuador, UAE, Saudi, Bahrain, Angola, Singapore, Spain, Zhengzho, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Sydney, Melbourne, Narita, Nagoya, Incheon (Atlas). I have been to all of these in the last 4 years...some of them, like HKG and SYD (Coogee Beach) a LOT of times.

I think for an "normal" pilot, DAL is best (unless you live in AK/West Coast or HI..then Alaska or HI is best). I think for an adventurous sort, Atlas is best.

Sorry...forgot SWA...they are really good, also.

And, it REALLY varies between individual. Talked to a guy who wants to go to JetBlue...it's his ONLY choice. He lives near Boston and wants a Boston base...he will not be applying anywhere else, unless they open a BOS base.

You forgot about the two other great cargo gigs : FDX/UPS.

easyflying 07-22-2014 03:59 AM

Biggest issue with Atlas is that you will make more money at any legacy as an FO then a capt. here at Atlas.
If you want to go visit all those great destinations that Cliff mentioned, buy a ticket and in reality most places he mentioned you probably don't want to even go to.
Although we have a contract, I think (and most Atlas pilots will agree) that a roll of one ply toilet paper has more substance then this contract. Too much ambiguous language. We hope that we can make things better next contract, but I would not hold my breath either. Top commuters plus LCC's have better contracts which will allow you to make more money and work less or if you decide to work more you will make more then working overtime here.
If you are coming from a commuter with a bad contract or low pay, this would be a nice stepping stone before you go to major.
The big items here are the fact that you don't have to worry about commuting or losing weight (lots of food on planes).
Good luck

robthree 07-22-2014 01:26 PM

But if you are interested in ACMI, Atlas is head and shoulders above the rest.

Whaledriver101 07-24-2014 01:09 PM

Easyflying,,, I seriously doubt FO's at the legacy make more than the Capt's at Atlas.

easyflying 07-24-2014 01:51 PM

with all the work rules they do.

The Walrus 07-24-2014 01:55 PM

How much does a Capt at Atlas make per year on average?

Tango 6 07-24-2014 02:24 PM

[QUOTE=easyflying;1691044]with all the work rules they do.[/QU

I like to see those numbers. I'm no Einstein nor do I do math in public but you might have a decimal in the wrong spot.

chip1 07-24-2014 02:27 PM

If you are senior wide body F/O at Delta and pick up "green slips" you can easily make more than an Atlas Capt. and work less days. Their work rules are significantly better. If one got hired at Delta today, just based on retirements, you could easily be a senior wide body F/O within 10 years.

Tango 6 07-24-2014 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by chip1 (Post 1691066)
If you are senior wide body F/O at Delta and pick up "green slips" you can easily make more than an Atlas Capt. and work less days. Their work rules are significantly better. If one got hired at Delta today, just based on retirements, you could easily be a senior wide body F/O within 10 years.

Guess it depends on what your looking for. Save yourself to be a senior Delta FO one day or push a jumbo around the globe with atlas.

If its Delta your after I hope you get hired. BTW when did you get hired at Atlas

jetjock6 07-24-2014 02:52 PM

As with any airline, there are a lot of variables that will determine what an Atlas pilot makes. Equipment, base, hazard flying, picking up open time, etc...

As far as making more as an fo at a legacy then a captain at Atlas. Not true for the average pilot. There are fo's at Atlas that make more then Atlas captains. Lots of them.

I have been at Atlas for 7+ years as an fo on the 74. I have friends at all the legacy carriers. Some with similar longevity that are on smaller equipment (73, 320, & 88). Most are not making more then me. Most that commute are not home more then me either. They are getting better retirement.

In the airline industry, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. There is always going to be fo at brand x that makes 200k + and he/she is always used as an example of what pilots make over there. We have some areas that need major work in the upcoming contract at Atlas but don't believe everything you hear.


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