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Old 07-24-2014, 05:43 PM   #31  
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As with any airline, there are a lot of variables that will determine what an Atlas pilot makes. Equipment, base, hazard flying, picking up open time, etc...

As far as making more as an fo at a legacy then a captain at Atlas. Not true for the average pilot. There are fo's at Atlas that make more then Atlas captains. Lots of them.

I have been at Atlas for 7+ years as an fo on the 74. I have friends at all the legacy carriers. Some with similar longevity that are on smaller equipment (73, 320, & 88). Most are not making more then me. Most that commute are not home more then me either. They are getting better retirement.

In the airline industry, the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. There is always going to be fo at brand x that makes 200k + and he/she is always used as an example of what pilots make over there. We have some areas that need major work in the upcoming contract at Atlas but don't believe everything you hear.
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Captains at Atlas make about 190k on the 747 and 160k on the 767. Those are ballpark averages. Obviously it will be more for guys that pick up flying in days off and less for people that get a lot of minimum guarantee credit. I've flown with a few 747 captains that complain they can't break 200k despite being at the top of the payscale. FO averages are about 100k on the 747 and 80k on the 767.

This is all very unscientific and just from talking to people I encounter. So yeah, line holding FO's at most legacies (and needless to say fedex & UPS) can beat that, especially if you account for Atlas's almost non existent retirement plan.

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Captains at Atlas make about 190k on the 747 and 160k on the 767. Those are ballpark averages. Obviously it will be more for guys that pick up flying in days off and less for people that get a lot of minimum guarantee credit. I've flown with a few 747 captains that complain they can't break 200k despite being at the top of the payscale. FO averages are about 100k on the 747 and 80k on the 767.

This is all very unscientific and just from talking to people I encounter. So yeah, line holding FO's at most legacies (and needless to say fedex & UPS) can beat that, especially if you account for Atlas's almost non existent retirement plan.
I know of 2 FOs that broke $200k for 2014. One said he is not going to 767 capt as would make less...waiting for 747 capt...
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"You forgot about the two other great cargo gigs : FDX/UPS."

I don't like all the domestic hub turns at FedEx.

I would never recommend UPS to anyone..poisonous work environment.
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Those are some real big statements for somebody that haven't worked at either one. Sure that must be hearsay because I HEAR the quality life and contract SUK at Atlas but to give someone RECOMMENDATION to work there or not when I wasn't employed there????
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Any FO's here making $200K must be senior and working lots of overtime and/or taking the outbases. I like being home with my family too much for that.
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Yeah, you could make 200k a year at Burger King probably if you work 365 days like these guys and never go home. Just multiple our rates times our crappy 62 hour guarantee to see what people with a life make.
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"Those are some real big statements for somebody that haven't worked at either one. Sure that must be hearsay because I HEAR the quality life and contract SUK at Atlas but to give someone RECOMMENDATION to work there or not when I wasn't employed there????"

I don't like domestic hub turns. I have flown into ILM and SDF and done them for abx and ups. I have flown into MEM for FedEx flying. I don't want atlas 767 as I don't want to do domestic hub turns. Other guys like them, and would love to do them for FedEx our UPS.

I don't personally know the work environment at UPS. The UPS guy I knew the best said he hated every second of every day he worked at UPS. I have read a lot of UPS pilot's opinions online of their pilot/management relationship. I don't want to work somewhere like that. Another Atlas guy I know wants UPS.he said he didn't care about the work environment, he just wants to make a lot of money. He is excited about UPS. I understand that completely. I hope he gets UPS...it will be perfect for him.
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"Any FO's here making $200K must be senior and working lots of overtime and/or taking the outbases. I like being home with my family too much for that."

Both ARE very senior. The guy who made the most about $230k, normally works about 9 days/month. He doesn't outbase or work any overtime. The other guy never outbases, just picks up high value open time.
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Max FO pay is $146. Say he somehow flies 100 hours in 9 days?!? That would be $14,600. 175k for the year. Since he's not working much say he gets 6k in per diem a year. Yeah.....he doesn't pick up open time. You believe these guys??? C'mon.
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