Blackbeard

Sure, operate safely. In fact being very conservative right now is the safest course. But why should we give a rat's rear end about LOSA until management releases the full Enders report?? The ill-timed MOU says it's voluntary. I say no LOSA until Enders is released. Enders remains relevant.

MaydayMark

Joe Pearson came to training (recurrent) a few months ago and said he was going to "try" to get the Enders Report released ... good for him.

As far as LOSA goes, the update from the union says it's voluntary, so ... no cooperation until we get Enders

FDXFLYR

I agree, they get a LOSA only after releasing the Enders report to the field. I'm not sure what I can do in the right seat other then voice my disagreement with the captain if he allows a LOSA observation, but I'll let him know about it if this happens.

FDXFLYR

Maybe get some stickers made up that say: "LOSA only after Enders". I know, not very creative, just a thought.

v1 uh-oh

The lawyers will NEVER let it be released.

HDawg

This one will be different, now there is more trust between the pilots and management...

MX727

Because the legal department got skewered in the report.

kronan

While I understand the emotion behind choosing to withhold participation in the LOSA until the Enders Report is released, I just don't agree with it.

To me, seems like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I believe that any problems/concerns voiced in the Enders report still exist. And, thus, will be discovered by the LOSA and this time we have an agreement for access to the data.

We never had access to the Enders report and can only speculate as to what it contained that Mgt didn't want us to know.
Bottom line question from me to you is-Do you think the pairings are better or worse than they were when the Enders report was compiled? Do you think the company pushes pilots more or less than when the Enders report was compiled?

IMO-the LOSA is something that can only help us. The company has previously indicated that ideally we would be operating to contract limits, not that there's any such thing as an "Optimizer".

HDawg

The point, I think, is that how many people trust that the findings will be used to really improve things or more importantly that the findings won't be used for discipline. You know the "F' em let them grieve it" attitude.

AFW_MD11

Just to clarify.....we ARE operating to contract limits (as stated by "O")

and, every chance the company gets to invoke a worldwide "operational emergency", even those limits are extended FAR beyond "contractual" - (get it F.A.R. beyond...?? )

Ideally, the LOSA flights will occur and be observed during a declared operational emergency - too bad the LOSA wasn't started last Friday night/Saturday morning during the ice event in MEM - now THAT woulda been some data points!!