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Old 02-16-2010, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FreightDawgyDog View Post
I think there is a simpler explanation here. Some in management wanted to allow over 60 S/O's to come back to the left seat of WB aircraft after the age change. Without any thought to how it might affect staffing during an already down period on our earnings, they did this by canceling an already awarded bid and then running excess bids off the back of the 727 and DC10 when there were no primary awards needed in the other seats. Then, when the flying in some aircraft had to be spread out, lines were being built to under 68 BLG due to this over-staffing of the most expensive seats from the cheapest seats. More and more lines had to be bought up to the 68 BLG min (as agreed to in the contract) every month. I believe the extra cost was about 1 million per month. The pressure above our managers was squarely on them to justify this when FedEx was already making less profits then they liked. Their answer was to stop buying up the lines by an inappropriate use of 4a2b. You are correct that they have probably spent more money in doing this (via excesses causing needless training and move packages) then had they kept buying up lines. All the beancounters were looking at was the paying of pilots for 68 hours when they were only working 60 to 65 so they didn't really look beyond the initial savings IMO. Our managers looked good to their superiors by sticking it to the pilots and the union by instituting 4a2b and stopping the BLG buy ups.

As far as the union dues not dropping due to 4a2b that makes sense as well. The flying is still being done by those protecting carry over and taking draft and volunteer, as well as the fact that some bidpack BLG's are at historic highs while others are historic lows. If only we could all accept 4a2b for one month and live by those BLG's the questions to our managers from above would change drastically from BLG buy-ups to explaining all the service failures and total loss of revenue to the company it caused. Heck, even 2 weeks might be enough to make big changes happen very quickly. 2 guys who never got it are leaving next month. If no one takes over their 120 BLG paying lines it would be a great start to getting rid of 4a2b.

The true cost of 4a2b can be seen in the loss of pilot goodwill towards doing anything above and beyond the minimum their job requires. Just look at the fuel sense program. If you have been to RGS lately you have heard them bemoaning the fact that our delayed start numbers are way down. Anyone wonder when it started to drop off? My guess is the downward spike of delayed start usage declined quickly with the start of 4a2b. It will take something extraordinary to get that goodwill back IMO.

As contract openers get closer it will do this pilot group well to remember that right after saving the company 200 million in fuels savings, management started 4a2b to cover their staffing errors. Yes, the BLG's are creeping slowly upward and hurting a little less but don't let that distract you. Even if it is repealed, we need to remember that it was done. It's just good business on our part.

Sorry for the long post. I think it is important we keep 4a2b in perspective. I truly believe it was not about furlough protection as much as it was a face saving maneuver for stopping BLG buy-ups at our expense. Your mileage may vary though. ..
I think Freight is spot on with his analysis
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:23 PM
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You want to talk about unity? What does "the junior folks are not going to follow the Pied Piper anymore" mean? Who is the Pied Piper? Your block rep? The SPC? The MEC? What, are the junior guys going to be independent contractors?
You ask who the Pied Piper is; it's ALPA both national and local. Quite frankly ALPA is leading us off a cliff. We are heading into contract negotiations with the most fractured pilot group probably in the history of airline unions.

How did we get here? By basically pitting the junior against the senior crew members. Most will say it was the company who did this, but I disagree.

Lets first look at our last contract for all the hidden money, it's all located in the MD-11 international flying. How about Trip Rig, increasing it was a good thing, to bad very few of the narrow body aircraft fly Trip Rig. The list goes on and we've all seen the discussions. Bottom line, the last contract benefited one group.

Now I'll through in age 65. Need I say more, we know who that benefited. Then the excess out of the 727 SO. Anyone who believes ALPA didn't have a part in all this in smoking crack.

Then there is the current excess. ALPA made all these under the table deals as to how this would work. Too bad we can't get the details of all the deals, but we do know there are lots of guys entitled to passover pay who aren't getting it due to some special deal.

Now we have a situation where all anyone is asking, is for the company to follow the contract (which they clearly aren't) and when someone points this out we get the "you should feel lucky to be getting a paycheck" comment. This statement is about as divisive as any I can think of. It basically says "shut up and color we know what's best for you". Well based on what I laid out at the beginning of this post, I'm not convinced ALPA is working in our collective best interest.

So how do we get the unity back. Lets see some leadership from the TOP. And by top I mean the top of the seniority list. There are lots of ways this could occur, I'll just throw out one example; protect min days off. I'm sure there are lots of other good examples.

Until we start seeing some leadership from above, someone please explain to me what the benifit in following these guys is.

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Old 02-17-2010, 07:22 PM
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Leadership from the TOP is what you're looking for, eh? You mean, the top of each seat's seniority list, right?

It never ceases to amaze me, who some of you guys decide to throw spears at. And, who gets a pass. You talk as though the only people flying carryover, draft, volunteer, etc. are senior widebody capts. Or, the only people that fly TAFB trips, or int'l MD-11 trips benefitting from those upgrades to our contract, are senior widebody capts. Well, I've got news for you friend...Almost the entire spectrum of our seniority list is represented by such people. Many of those people are what we call F/Os.

I don't think we should be flying extra right now, either. But, nearly every time I go to work, I fly with guys who don't agree me. And believe me, they're not at the top of our seniority list.

So, if it's unity you want...You might want to think about that. Your "the guys at the TOP of our seniority list are ruining my life" frame of mind is about as divisive as I've seen.

And, if my thinking that the bottom of our list is "fortunate" to be getting a paycheck...Sorry. Maybe this would sound better? I think that the bottom of the seniority list at FDX is fortunate to be getting a paycheck, and I'm glad that they are still here.

As far as your feelings about ALPA...You do know that the vote from the bottom guy on our list is just as powerful as the vote from the guy on the top of the list? That the vote of your block rep is just as important as the vote from the Block 1 rep, right?
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Old 02-20-2010, 03:58 PM
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Just so all are aware... My MEM11CA VTO paid 59.5 hrs.... Gota love it!
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Same for the other seat, below RLG....
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Old 02-21-2010, 06:33 AM
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Just for discussion purposes ... "FDX B scale" makes me think that many of you have never worked at an operation that had a real "B scale." Don't get me wrong, I believe the company is 4a2b-ing us inappropriately but ... just saying that you're still not plumbing for $40/hr like some of us did in the good old B scale days
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So you are saying a 20% paycut is not similar to a B scale?
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG View Post
So you are saying a 20% paycut is not similar to a B scale?
Don't get me wrong ... I think my 25% hour cut is a very real cut but until you've worked for $40/hr (as a 727f/o, 727s/o, 747 s/o) you really don't now what a real B scale is ...

(I won't comment on this subject again ... I promise)
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Old 02-21-2010, 07:09 AM
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Working less and getting paid less isn't great. However, it is much better than working the same or more for less $.
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Old 02-21-2010, 08:17 AM
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I get it. A CA paycut should result in a larger paycut for others.

I find it hard to believe your last month was a 25% pay cut. Soon your hours will be almost normal.

What about everyone else? Who cares.
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