UPS Managers/labor law
Any insight into labor/ union law:
If ups furloughs and uses non-union pilots to fly our line flights. Is this a violation of the law. Aren't they replacing union workers w/ non? Thoughts? N_H |
Agreed. Don't see how you could possibly justify the "E" in MEF if the emergency is created by the company in laying off line pilots. I think this is actually a very good case to bring to a labor attorney.
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I think it's more a matter of what your contract says. Usually found under "scope" (all flying that is performed by the Company....shall be performed by crewmembers on the ... seniority list) and "management." The management section usually says how a line pilot will be made whole if a management pilot displaces him.
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Originally Posted by Night_Hawk
(Post 768171)
Any insight into labor/ union law:
If ups furloughs and uses non-union pilots to fly our line flights. Is this a violation of the law. Aren't they replacing union workers w/ non? Thoughts? N_H my opinion is that it is in complete violation of federal labor law and will be very interested to see how ups justifies throwing hundreds of union pilots on the street just to replace them with non union pilots. |
Originally Posted by weatherman
(Post 768204)
well that's the million dollar question isn't it? and one that will be decided very soon as soon as one union pilot hits the street and is illegally replaced.
my opinion is that it is in complete violation of federal labor law and will be very interested to see how ups justifies throwing hundreds of union pilots on the street just to replace them with non union pilots. |
Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
(Post 768198)
I think it's more a matter of what your contract says. Usually found under "scope" (all flying that is performed by the Company....shall be performed by crewmembers on the ... seniority list) and "management." The management section usually says how a line pilot will be made whole if a management pilot displaces him.
My hunch is this won't matter and I don't mean they won't furlough. |
Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
(Post 768198)
I think it's more a matter of what your contract says. Usually found under "scope" (all flying that is performed by the Company....shall be performed by crewmembers on the ... seniority list) and "management." The management section usually says how a line pilot will be made whole if a management pilot displaces him.
Originally Posted by Tigerpilot1995
(Post 768234)
Actually it is a matter of federal law. What our contract says really doesn't mean squat. You can enter into an agreement but that doesn't mean it is lawful. Look up what a "closed shop" means. I think that is going to be the crux of the issue. In all honesty a furlough, while make it sound more a sound case, really doesn't mean squat.
My hunch is this won't matter and I don't mean they won't furlough. If you look up "closed shop" you will see that Taft-Hartley made them illegal. What you have is an agreement between the company and the union on how and who to hire and fire. You are right though in that the court will not enforce an agreement that is illegal. But, in aviation cases, that is more likely to deal with an attempted subversion of the FAR's or some other federal regulation. There is no federal law that says union (IPA) pilots have to fly UPS airplanes. Your contract means everything in the court of law. If there is part of it that is illegal, I doubt it's the part that allows management pilots to fly. Good luck though. New K |
Originally Posted by Night_Hawk
(Post 768171)
Any insight into labor/ union law:
If ups furloughs and uses non-union pilots to fly our line flights. Is this a violation of the law. Aren't they replacing union workers w/ non? Thoughts? N_H Are your managers just strike busters or do they work for a living? |
Originally Posted by Busdrivr
(Post 768261)
Question. Do your management pilots hold a seniority number? At FedEx ALL management "pilots" hold a # and many them belong to ALPA.
Are your managers just strike busters or do they work for a living? I am sure there is someone out there that could explain it better, but that's what I know (which isn't much) |
What language forces them to leave the IPA when taking a management job? IPA or UPS requirement that managers not be on the seniority list?
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