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liftr92 03-01-2010 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by 11Fan (Post 771295)
Don't know if you picked up on the scent, but Dawg's hunt is on N803UP

A good hound dog knows his scent - 803/807 struck a cord, found ye olde log book and noted flights in 803UP & 807UP, irony is two months after UPS ends DC-8 flights, there's a couple of freshly painted DC-8's labeled 803DH & 807DH - coincidence - I don't know, but remember just because I'm not paranoid doesn't mean that everyone's not out to get me...

11Fan 03-01-2010 12:32 PM

I actually met a paranoid schizophrenic who swore he was out to get himself.


I don't know. They seems like nice guys to me.

Road Dawg 03-01-2010 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by K4FE (Post 771281)
N151CA is for a Shorts.
I'm sure you noticed that the registration certificate for N155CA was issued on 10/9/90. Obviously something is amiss.

Sorry it is 155ca.
RD

FliFast 03-01-2010 09:07 PM

151CA, I flew that wreck also...4498Y another Shorts that we see on the ramp in SDF.

Here's a question for the "hunting dawgs", who owns all the Bluebird/Maersk airplanes that fly out of Cologne.

FF

say that again 03-01-2010 09:37 PM


Originally Posted by Road Dawg (Post 771271)
This thread is about the IPA, Local 2727 mechs, and UPS, it could eventually end up at YOUR airline by undercutting your job, the new tail number on the aircraft is N151CA registered to UPS so the FAA did thier job. There are work rules about aircraft owned by UPS and operated and maintained by others that my friends is a BIG violation of both unions. So rest assured they do what they want and pay whom they want....I, was just bringing the issue to light so my brothers at the IPA would do what they have to do...
RD.

For a period of time, (mid 80's) UPS owned a lot of American Airlines MD-80's. Are you saying that flying should be ours too? Where in the contract does it spell out that all UPS "owned" aircraft will be flown by IPA crew members? FWIW, UPS does in fact go after military charter flying. I'm on one of those trips now. I see a lot of those trips in the current bid package as well.

jonnyjetprop 03-02-2010 12:12 AM

As an non UPS pilot, I'd have to ask a couple of questions.

Since the military splits up their business, is UPS flying their full allotment of flying on other planes? If so, then UPS can't just go out and fly more. It doesn't work that way. The cargo business is further split between contoured and non contoured (IE: B 747 and AN 124). So you'd have to look at that too. I know that UPS is on the FedEX team and you'd have to look at the split of business within your team too. An example is that World flies the contoured cargo within the Alliance team using our MD-11's. Since we got B 747's, we can only fly the non contoured cargo that our teams primary member (Evergreen) can't handle.

REGHI 03-02-2010 05:36 AM


Originally Posted by say that again (Post 771698)
Where in the contract does it spell out that all UPS "owned" aircraft will be flown by IPA crew members?

Article 1.C.2 (Scope) It is agreed that all present and future domestic flying on aircraft with a payload weight of more than 12,899 lbs. [19,000 lbs. for international flights] including but not limited to, revenue flying, ferry flights, charters, training flights, test flights, or other utilization of Company owned or leased aircraft in and for the service of the Company, or any affiliate of the Company, shall be performed by crewmembers on the United Parcel Service Crewmember Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement......

757upspilot 03-02-2010 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop (Post 771711)
As an non UPS pilot, I'd have to ask a couple of questions.

Since the military splits up their business, is UPS flying their full allotment of flying on other planes? If so, then UPS can't just go out and fly more. It doesn't work that way. The cargo business is further split between contoured and non contoured (IE: B 747 and AN 124). So you'd have to look at that too. I know that UPS is on the FedEX team and you'd have to look at the split of business within your team too. An example is that World flies the contoured cargo within the Alliance team using our MD-11's. Since we got B 747's, we can only fly the non contoured cargo that our teams primary member (Evergreen) can't handle.

i will let Salty address the bulk of this. From indications UPS is not flying its full allotment.

L'il J.Seinfeld 03-02-2010 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by jonnyjetprop (Post 771711)
As an non UPS pilot, I'd have to ask a couple of questions.

Since the military splits up their business, is UPS flying their full allotment of flying on other planes? If so, then UPS can't just go out and fly more. It doesn't work that way. The cargo business is further split between contoured and non contoured (IE: B 747 and AN 124). So you'd have to look at that too. I know that UPS is on the FedEX team and you'd have to look at the split of business within your team too. An example is that World flies the contoured cargo within the Alliance team using our MD-11's. Since we got B 747's, we can only fly the non contoured cargo that our teams primary member (Evergreen) can't handle.

I don't think that's right that UPS and FDX are on the same team. Are you sure about that?

jonnyjetprop 03-02-2010 09:32 AM

To be honest, I can't find a referrence on the internet for fy 2010. I know that the teams change year by year and I was supprised when someone told me FedEx and you were on the same team. The general drift is the same. Is UPS flying it's full alloment or not? We have planes sitting, but we can't fly any more mil cargo. We are at our limit.


Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld (Post 771859)
I don't think that's right that UPS and FDX are on the same team. Are you sure about that?



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