pig on the wing

I called contract enforcement today to get some info on potentially leaving the ANC domicile either by choice or by excess and I ended my conversation confused....surprised?? If I bid out of ANC to MEM or LAX and want to move my family and commute out of PDX does the ANC move package LOA provide any money for moving expenses to PDX? If I stay in ANC as a domicle but move to PDX is there any money provided? And if I get excessed and move to PDX is their any money provided?
Yes, I read the contract, yes I called, and yes I am not that bright...my spelling and grammar probably blow too...wouldn't think of adding a discuss..
cheers

FDXFLYR

I'm sorry I don't have any answers, I just wanted to tell you that your last sentence of disclaimers was friggin' awesome!!

bleedairpacks

I agree completely! We need you as a pilot union rep!

HazCan

Here's my understanding. If you leave after giving them 3 years in ANC (assuming there is a bid somewhere and your training date occurs on/after the 3 year point) then they move household goods to your next domicile or the equivalent $. If it's more, you write a check.

If you are excessed, you get the big pimp daddy package with all of the house assistance, airline tickets, cash, etc, etc....HOWEVER, you have to move you your next domicile for a minimum of 18 months (LAX, MEM).

Why they care where you live with one move package and not the other, I have no idea.

Hope this helps.

pig on the wing

Thanks Haz, that is what I always understood as well. Contra t enforcement said there was no money given if you don't move within 100nm of new domicile. The person I talked to didn't even know about the most recent LOA move package!! Not sure worthless is an acceptably strong enough adjective needed to describe that phone call I made....

AFW_MD11

Don't know who you talked to @ ALPA, or what the exact conversation on either side was....so.....this might get you pointed in the right direction

The answer to your question depends on several different factors - the following assume you will go to either MEM or LAX as you said - NOT and FDA (HKG):

1) do you & your family currently maintain permanent residence in ANC?
2) how long have you maintained permanent residence in ANC (at least 18 or 36 months)?
3) was ANC your first domicile as a newhire?
4) did you receive any company-paid relocation when you relocated yourself & family to ANC?
5) which bid posting/award resulted in your relocating to ANC, pre 96-01, or after?
6) will your new domicile/bid award be as a result of a VACANCY award, or an EXCESS award?

all those questions go to determining which part of the contractual ANC relocation packages you would be qualified to receive - there are 3 (maybe 4 if you include "crash-pad" move) possible "deals" you could qualify for:

1) ANC Relo LOA dated 2006.
2) CBA (Section 6) Relo as result of EXCESS (or bid to releive excess) award out of ANC
3) ANC & Subic "return moves" LOA for pre-96-01 posting awards to ANC - dated 1999

No simple way to answer your question.

In order to get an accurate answer to your question.....you have to take each of your possible scenarios (vacancy award, or excess, or bid-to-relieve excess) and then also where you will move TO (PDX or within 100 miles of MEM/LAX) and then also how you got relocated TO ANC in the first place (pre 96-01 award, newhire, 2006 LOA, or none of those)

Each situation is completely unique and have a completely different CBA section or LOA that covers it (CBA Section 6, 2006 ANC relo LOA, or 1999 ANC/Subic return moves LOA)

If you can narrow down your specific circumstances for us, it would be easier for someone to give you a better/more correct answer.

pig on the wing

AFW, thank you. You seem to possess all the details that I so wantonly lack! I was awarded ANC in 06 after spending a year based in mem on the slave ship. My family and I currently live in ANC. The "new" ANC LOA didn't exist until after I was activated and living in ANC. My hope is for a vacancy award to mem but a strong possibility exists of an excess.
Thanks for the help

AFW_MD11

I think (pretty sure) with a vacancy bid award, you would be eligible for a paid move to either PDX or MEM (relo package #2) - as per the 2006 ANC LOA

But, for an excess (or bid-to-relieve excess) bid award, you would only qualify for CBA Section 6 relo package #1 if you moved to within 100 miles of MEM (but NUTHIN' if you relo from ANC to PDX) -excess makes you ineligible for the 2006 ANC LOA benefit.

I'm thinking that the difference (not that it makes total sense) is that in order to qualify for the 2006 ANC LOA move, you have to have actually lived in ANC for 36 months - thus you get the option of where to move back to in the "mainland" US (as they call it in the LOA)

For the relo package #1, you don't have to ever have lived in ANC, you can take the relo package from wherever you currently live, BUT (big BUT) you have to relocate yourself AND your family to within 100 miles of MEM in order to get anything in the package (in other words, you never had to have moved to ANC in the first place, but still get relo bennies)

small difference, but a significant one if you desire to move FROM ANC and TO anywhere other than MEM (or LAX - wherever your new domicile is)

if PDX is your objective, I think you have to get either MEM or LAX on a vacancy bid to get paid move to PDX

keep in mind, you don't have to stay in the MD11 - if paid move to PDX is the most important thing for you - might think about bidding 757 or something else in MEM that you could get on a vacancy rather than waiting for an excess.

As always.....confirm all this (in writing preferrably) from the company BEFORE you bid anything.

You never know how they might "interpret" these (or any other - 4.A.2.b.)sections of the contract and LOAs??

Good luck.

hyperone

Pig, I believe the CBA Chapter 6.B.2. - Distance Limitations section quoted below, means the company will not pay for any move to PDX. They will only pay for a move to within 100 NM of your new domicile (whether MEM or LAX). I would try calling or writing the ALPA Contract Enforcement office again to confirm this. Maybe this time you will get someone who has a clue about this section of the contract.

2. Distance Limitations
A pilot shall not be entitled to a move package unless:
a. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current domicile (or base in the case of an FDA); and
b. the permanent residence to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
c. the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving is more than 50 nautical miles from his current permanent residence; and
d. the residence to which he is moving is within 100 nautical miles of the domicile (or base in the case of an FDA) to which he is moving; and
e. the residence to which he is moving is in the same country as the base.

AFW_MD11

This is why, I agree, it's best not to rely on any info here on APC alone.

It is all very complex and intertwined - especially when you start talking about moving to/from ANC.

Having said that.....I could be wrong, but I believe there is an exception to Hyperone's statements/quotes of the CBA Section 6 above - IF you fall under the 2006 ANC LOA - read the second paragraph of the "preamble" to the LOA (paragraph prior to paragraph A):

".....those same pilots shall be allowed to relocate from and to the United States mainland...."

and


".....The cost of a relocation back to the United States mainland shall be limited to the cost of the actual move or the cost of a move to Memphis, Tennessee, whichever is less."

which implies that you could be paid to move somewhere OTHER THAN MEM upon returning from ANC - having satisfied the requirements of actually moving TO ANC in the first place - AND living there for the full 36 months.

I could be totally whacked....but that's how I read the 2006 ANC LOA.

WARNING: Call/email both the company AND ALPA again to confirm all this before bidding anything with an "APC understanding"