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Old 04-03-2010, 12:06 PM
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....why are we crashing airplanes then? We have one of the worst safety records in recent years and I'm curious to know why this is?

Looking all the way back to the 747 crash (Tigers/Fedex) we seem to have gotten away with band-aid fixes until our most recent loss of lives accident.

It's time to figure this out.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:25 PM
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Well said Alder. It is just not a big deal. If you bid stuff where you only fly the jet once a month or less don't expect to be the ace of the base. Same is true with any airplane, car, bicycle...
So what do you do when you have no choice but being on reserve and the only thing you get are RFO trips? This is a huge problem up in ANC.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:30 PM
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So what do you do when you have no choice but being on reserve and the only thing you get are RFO trips? This is a huge problem up in ANC.
You are preaching to the choir. The reserve situation is out of control. My point is if you fly the airplane it is not that hard.
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Old 04-03-2010, 10:19 PM
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You are preaching to the choir. The reserve situation is out of control. My point is if you fly the airplane it is not that hard.
I'll agree to that. If you fly it regularly, it's not too shabby. I just wish I had that comfort level all the time. Cheers!
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Old 04-03-2010, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 990Convair View Post
....why are we crashing airplanes then? We have one of the worst safety records in recent years and I'm curious to know why this is?

Looking all the way back to the 747 crash (Tigers/Fedex) we seem to have gotten away with band-aid fixes until our most recent loss of lives accident.

It's time to figure this out.
Allow me answer your question with another question....

(I don't know the answer to my question either)

What is our overall accident/incident RATE compared to, say, frequency of takeoffs/landings?

Is it within the statistical average rates for all MAJOR airlines or all CARGO airlines that operate worldwide? or is it so far outta whack (statistically) that it is a HUGE/glaring problem that needs to be somehow "fixed" yesterday?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MD11 isn't the only airplane that we've "crashed" (or hull loss or major damage) here at FedEx, is it? (727, MD10, Airbus?)

And...FedEx isn't the only airline that has "crashed" MD11's either, are we? even recently (Shanghai on takeoff)

so.....I don't know/have the stats, but maybe all our MD11 "problems" that this first-time-poster/highly experienced/has-it-all-figured-out "jetkid" is blaming on our FedEx MD11 crews' "juniority" and "lack of experience on the jet" aren't even significant (statistically)

(with all due respect to FX80 crew and their families - of course that single event is/was significant to them)
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 990Convair View Post
....why are we crashing airplanes then? We have one of the worst safety records in recent years and I'm curious to know why this is?

Looking all the way back to the 747 crash (Tigers/Fedex) we seem to have gotten away with band-aid fixes until our most recent loss of lives accident.

It's time to figure this out.
Grinding our crews into the dirt with little time to rest does not help. Interesting in each one of our accidents the Company never seems to take any blame or ask themselves what can we do to help our crews. Please not another procedure from our leader sippiping coffee at Starbucks writing emails while our crews are gutting it out in the trenches...... JMHO

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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11 View Post
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Allow me answer your question with another question....

(I don't know the answer to my question either)

What is our overall accident/incident RATE compared to, say, frequency of takeoffs/landings?

Is it within the statistical average rates for all MAJOR airlines or all CARGO airlines that operate worldwide? or is it so far outta whack (statistically) that it is a HUGE/glaring problem that needs to be somehow "fixed" yesterday?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the MD11 isn't the only airplane that we've "crashed" (or hull loss or major damage) here at FedEx, is it? (727, MD10, Airbus?)

And...FedEx isn't the only airline that has "crashed" MD11's either, are we? even recently (Shanghai on takeoff)

so.....I don't know/have the stats, but maybe all our MD11 "problems" that this first-time-poster/highly experienced/has-it-all-figured-out "jetkid" is blaming on our FedEx MD11 crews' "juniority" and "lack of experience on the jet" aren't even significant (statistically)

(with all due respect to FX80 crew and their families - of course that single event is/was significant to them)
AFW, according to JP, our new Safety Managing Director, Fedex has the worst accident and safety record of any airline in the world. So yes, it is "statistically significant", and it is a "HUGE" problem that needs to be fixed. I'm not sure what the causes or solutions are, but there's no denying our safety record is atrocious.
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Old 04-04-2010, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJocF14 View Post
Grinding our crews into the dirt with little time to rest does not help. Interesting in each one of our accidents the Company never seems to take any blame or ask themselves what can we do to help our crews. Please not another procedure from our leader sippiping coffee at Starbucks writing emails while our crew are gutting it out in the trenches...... JMHO
Amen brother, Amen!!
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Old 04-04-2010, 04:16 PM
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You would be better equipped to know the problems, possible solutions and be part of the solution if the company had shared the results of the Enders safety audit with us. But management chose instead to hide it from their own employees--especially the only ones whose lives are at risk--and we all just sat back and let it happen. The day after the company announced they were withholding the results of that report, our MEC should have stopped flying and we should have all followed in lock step. Take us to court for an illegal job action? Maybe, but management would never have followed through with it because they could not have mitigated the bashing they would have taken in the press.
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Originally Posted by 990Convair View Post
....why are we crashing airplanes then? We have one of the worst safety records in recent years and I'm curious to know why this is?
Fatigue. We have the worst pairing of any airline I've flown for.

And FedEX is number 5 for me.
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