UPS TA, the other side of the story Part 1
07-20-2006, 10:56 AM
#11
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Don't you guys back your negotiating committee? Did you not elect these guys? Sounds to me that it is back to square one for you to me. We had the same problem with FPA in the beginning and ended up suffering under a substandard contract because of it.
07-20-2006, 01:45 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by FR8Hauler
We had the same problem with FPA in the beginning and ended up suffering under a substandard contract because of it.
07-20-2006, 03:13 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
And as long as we still have people selling back VAC (much more detrimental to the cause than DFT/VLT) we'll be substandard again!
07-23-2006, 09:14 AM
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how come everyone tries to get a 5-10 year contract in the aviation industry.
that way when times are good you cant renegotiate more from the company and when times are bad its an extra burden on the company
why dont people get shorter contracts and they can be reevaluated as neccesary?
that way when times are good you cant renegotiate more from the company and when times are bad its an extra burden on the company
why dont people get shorter contracts and they can be reevaluated as neccesary?
07-23-2006, 09:38 AM
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Contract length really means nothing if a company falls on hard times. We have seen almost all of the passenger carriers renegotiate their contracts as the need arises in hard times, however they are almost never going to share the good times.
UPS and FEDEX on the other hand have benefited greatly from locking in low labor rates and then extending the negotiations ad infinitum. In effect they have seen a 5% reduction per year in true cost for the last five years. This also makes it easier for them to make long range planning assumptions. Locking in labor costs for the long haul is similar to hedging fuel, except of course it involves hedging humans.
UPS and FEDEX on the other hand have benefited greatly from locking in low labor rates and then extending the negotiations ad infinitum. In effect they have seen a 5% reduction per year in true cost for the last five years. This also makes it easier for them to make long range planning assumptions. Locking in labor costs for the long haul is similar to hedging fuel, except of course it involves hedging humans.
07-23-2006, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
And as long as we still have people selling back VAC (much more detrimental to the cause than DFT/VLT) we'll be substandard again!
You can do that?
Holy ******! Where do I sign up for that? Too cool.
07-23-2006, 08:32 PM
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Negotiate What
Originally Posted by NightFR8Pilot
And that's why we have to send them back in. This TA is only half baked (at best). It'll probably take new leadership and, most assuredly, a new NC. I'm not going to settle for this POS TA and I encourage my fellow IPA bretheren to send this thing back. We will get what we negotiate and it will be what we want...if we stick together.
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07-26-2006, 10:28 AM
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New Sutton Hotline
This guys has a funny take on the TA and the current EB and NC at the IPA [UPS pilot's union]
Check it out and judge for yourself............
www.suttonhotline.com
Check it out and judge for yourself............
www.suttonhotline.com
07-28-2006, 12:30 AM
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new information updated daily
It seems these guys have a good grasp on what's going on, they're updating the webiste every 24 to 48 hours with more information....
www.ipaontop.org
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