UPS Furloughee demographics
04-07-2010, 09:47 PM
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UPS Furloughee demographics
Some in the IPA have stated that furloughs are a "necessary evil" and a "rite of passage." One inconsiderate capt I overheard even said, "You're not a real airline pilot until you've been furloughed."
I just took a hard look at the first 54 set to be released next month. I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got. Not that it matters, but if furloughs were merit based, not a single one of this group would be leaving.
-The oldest is 55.
-The youngest is 33.
-20 of the 54 (37%) are older than 45.
-Only 22 of the 54 (40%) were born after 1/1/1970.
-There are at least 4 military O-6s, including at least 2 Vice or Wing Commanders in the Guard/Reserve.
-At least half left 6 figure jobs for the stability of cargo and UPS. These included Atlas 747-400 captains, World MD-11 captains, and several Cathay FOs.
This is not a group of 20 somethings who will have decades to recoup their lost earnings. This is predominantly a group that has college aged children not that much younger than the baby boomers. But most importantly this is the creme of the crop from thousands of applicants hoping for UPS back in 2007.
I fear that we should have lowered out guarantee for a year to avert this furlough, but that doesn't matter yet either. Shame on UPS for moving these folks to ANC and furloughing them there and not giving them paid moves back to civilization.
I just took a hard look at the first 54 set to be released next month. I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got. Not that it matters, but if furloughs were merit based, not a single one of this group would be leaving.
-The oldest is 55.
-The youngest is 33.
-20 of the 54 (37%) are older than 45.
-Only 22 of the 54 (40%) were born after 1/1/1970.
-There are at least 4 military O-6s, including at least 2 Vice or Wing Commanders in the Guard/Reserve.
-At least half left 6 figure jobs for the stability of cargo and UPS. These included Atlas 747-400 captains, World MD-11 captains, and several Cathay FOs.
This is not a group of 20 somethings who will have decades to recoup their lost earnings. This is predominantly a group that has college aged children not that much younger than the baby boomers. But most importantly this is the creme of the crop from thousands of applicants hoping for UPS back in 2007.
I fear that we should have lowered out guarantee for a year to avert this furlough, but that doesn't matter yet either. Shame on UPS for moving these folks to ANC and furloughing them there and not giving them paid moves back to civilization.
That is pure evil...
04-08-2010, 01:47 AM
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ups is a pos. we only have eachother ipa. except for one greedy bastard who picked up a long trip to hnl, even though the eb published a solidarity policy against that.
sleep well in paradise roberto. many ipa pilots and their families are facing a very difficult challenge in their lives. not that you care. everyone will long remember your betrayal.
he's admitted it on the bar and grill. he just doesn't give a damn.
sleep well in paradise roberto. many ipa pilots and their families are facing a very difficult challenge in their lives. not that you care. everyone will long remember your betrayal.
he's admitted it on the bar and grill. he just doesn't give a damn.
04-08-2010, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
Some in the IPA have stated that furloughs are a "necessary evil" and a "rite of passage." One inconsiderate capt I overheard even said, "You're not a real airline pilot until you've been furloughed."
I just took a hard look at the first 54 set to be released next month. I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got. Not that it matters, but if furloughs were merit based, not a single one of this group would be leaving.
-The oldest is 55.
-The youngest is 33.
-20 of the 54 (37%) are older than 45.
-Only 22 of the 54 (40%) were born after 1/1/1970.
-There are at least 4 military O-6s, including at least 2 Vice or Wing Commanders in the Guard/Reserve.
-At least half left 6 figure jobs for the stability of cargo and UPS. These included Atlas 747-400 captains, World MD-11 captains, and several Cathay FOs.
This is not a group of 20 somethings who will have decades to recoup their lost earnings. This is predominantly a group that has college aged children not that much younger than the baby boomers. But most importantly this is the creme of the crop from thousands of applicants hoping for UPS back in 2007.
I fear that we should have lowered out guarantee for a year to avert this furlough, but that doesn't matter yet either. Shame on UPS for moving these folks to ANC and furloughing them there and not giving them paid moves back to civilization.
I just took a hard look at the first 54 set to be released next month. I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got. Not that it matters, but if furloughs were merit based, not a single one of this group would be leaving.
-The oldest is 55.
-The youngest is 33.
-20 of the 54 (37%) are older than 45.
-Only 22 of the 54 (40%) were born after 1/1/1970.
-There are at least 4 military O-6s, including at least 2 Vice or Wing Commanders in the Guard/Reserve.
-At least half left 6 figure jobs for the stability of cargo and UPS. These included Atlas 747-400 captains, World MD-11 captains, and several Cathay FOs.
This is not a group of 20 somethings who will have decades to recoup their lost earnings. This is predominantly a group that has college aged children not that much younger than the baby boomers. But most importantly this is the creme of the crop from thousands of applicants hoping for UPS back in 2007.
I fear that we should have lowered out guarantee for a year to avert this furlough, but that doesn't matter yet either. Shame on UPS for moving these folks to ANC and furloughing them there and not giving them paid moves back to civilization.
Where did you get the data points? Seems like a lot of work unless you are whom I think you are.
The IPA sent out furlough packets, got mine yesterday. They have negotiated discount shipping for our stuff back to somewhere we can get a job. Glad its cheap to live here. To say its a bitter taste how we are being treated.
At least they are not coming to my house and breaking in to give me an assignment
04-08-2010, 07:26 AM
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This brings up the touchy subject of how fair/unfair the pilot seniority system is. Ultimately, for those who rail against socialism, the company seniority system is socialism in its purest form, ie. it takes all merit based values and throws them out the window. Your pay and quality of life ultimately depend on only one variable: your date of hire. Is that messed up? I believe it is, but at the same time, we all know what would happen if it became otherwise. The only advantage to the current system is that it takes all politics out of the decision making of who gets to upgrade and when.
As for the cream of the crop being let go, that seems to be the case at many other companies including NJA. The boys and girls who stuck it out there making pathetic salaries back in the day are now reaping the rewards of being on the "page of shame" at a very reputable company that has been turned around largely by the actions of the later hires. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of some of these individuals (just a few, not ALL) who can barely do their job on daily basis without screwing something up, while others far more deserving get kicked to the curb.
Ambition will only get you so far in aviation, the rest just depends on how lucky you got with your DOH. Just have to roll the dice........
All my best to those furloughed UPS, NJA, and all others for that matter. I may be joining your ranks here shortly.
As for the cream of the crop being let go, that seems to be the case at many other companies including NJA. The boys and girls who stuck it out there making pathetic salaries back in the day are now reaping the rewards of being on the "page of shame" at a very reputable company that has been turned around largely by the actions of the later hires. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of some of these individuals (just a few, not ALL) who can barely do their job on daily basis without screwing something up, while others far more deserving get kicked to the curb.
Ambition will only get you so far in aviation, the rest just depends on how lucky you got with your DOH. Just have to roll the dice........
All my best to those furloughed UPS, NJA, and all others for that matter. I may be joining your ranks here shortly.
04-08-2010, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueridger
The only advantage to the current system is that it takes all politics out of the decision making of who gets to upgrade and when....
But still, You'd have to recognize it takes favoritism out of scheduling, vacations, domicile assignments, and more if you think about it. ideally, everyone gets the chance to be senior some day.
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