Help with intell on Tradewinds
 

Any intell about basing, schedules, trip length, insurance, etc. I know about some of the supplemental carriers and the pitfalls and attributes of same . I do have experience at regionals, supplemental and major trunk carriers but knowing this does not help with Tradewinds. I need a job am ashamed that I have had my head in the clouds/sand. Please help:eek:

I'd keep my head in the sand a little longer until your thoughts of a job with Tradewinds went away.

Well,why?
 

You must be s... H.., have you ever needed a job? Do you support a family? Have you ever thought you had it made? Do you always think that you are better than the person next to you? Man I dont want to sound hostile but the entire industry has tanked; are you immune? Can you contemplate that one day you could find your Emminance in a situation that thousands have found themselves? Could you? You cannot be that naive. Man I NEED A JOB, IS THAT SO WRONG. Can you offer anything but Arrogance/ Ignorance? Man please. We are in this together. Do not forget that! LOL. Humus

Hmm... maybe he's Brownstain in disguise.

The fact is that Tradewinds has current 747 Captains quitting. If you need a job and can't find anything else then you don't have much choice, but they are about the lowest of the bottom feeders out there.

Double post

What an arrogant dickbreath. Asswhole to the max. Who the fuk does he think he is? Ten to one he has SJS.

SJS:Takes paticence to read.

SJS - The Career Killer (tv spot)
Shiny-Jet-Syndrome: The Career Killer

<<enter Sally Struthers in front of a black backdrop>>

Sally: "Every year hundreds of children from around the world are afflicted with a paralyzing disease. Shiny-jet-syndrome. SJS."

<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, a 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>

Sally: "Thats right. Today 9 in every 10 young pilots is a victim of SJS. Take Jimmy here. Jimmy is a smart, young man. He was raised in an upper, middle-class suburb. Jimmy's dad was a Delta pilot. Jimmy has been a flight instructor here at Comair academy for 3 weeks now. See how happy he is? See how much pride Jimmy takes in his job?"

<<Jimmy hears a jet engine overhead, looks up at the contrail of a jetliner passing overhead, fade to black>>

<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, summer, the 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>

Sally: "It's now been six weeks since Jimmy started his new job. He has almost 60 hours of instructing under his belt. The symptoms of SJS have already begun to manifest themselves. Jimmy is a victim. He constantly complains about his lack of career progression. With a little over 500 hours total time and zero actual instrument, Jimmy had expected to be flying a regional jet by now."

<<Zoom to Jimmy in the cockpit, sweat pouring from his face, his features twisted. angry, arrogant, frustrated (i/e Anakin before becoming Darth Vader) Fade to black>>

Sally: "A year later, SJS has fully taken him over. Jimmy is a regional jet co-pilot now. Let's watch..."

<<fade in on Jimmy walking through the terminal. He is wearing a uniform of sorts. He is carrying his hat, listening to his IPod, with his backpack tossed over his shoulder. His hair is frosted at the tips and he chews gum as he strolls through the terminal. He see's "RJ" - the Comair mascot up ahead, and thinks of how cool it is to fly for an airline with a big, fuzzy, talking, RJ for a mascot.>>

Sally: "Jimmy looks happy now, he's an airline pilot. With less than one-thousand hours total time though, Jimmy is a burden to the Captains he flies with. His ego is enormous. He feels as though he is a modern day Ernest Gann or SkyKing but without the autopilot and flight director he is borderline dangerous. He is lazy, apathetic, and still angry. He had expected to be working for a major airline right now."

<<camera pans to Jimmy peering outside the terminal at a Boeing 737...and then, an EMB170 taxies out from behind it. A crooked smile forms on Jimmy's lips. Fade to black.>>

<<Fade to daylight. The cockpit of an EMB190. The year is 2010 and Jimmy is a Captain.>>

Sally: "SJS has finally claimed its victim. Jimmy -- for the time being -- is happy. His airline flies an armada of narrow-body, Embraer jets that carry as many as 120 passengers. Jimmy gets paid less today than a city bus driver. He earns less than an Amtrak conductor. On average he is earning more than $100/hr LESS than the major-airline pilots he has replaced. His copilot, Sean, has been an airline pilot for about one month. He is elated to be flying a big-jet for $20,000/yr. As long as his parents continue to send those allowance checks, this could be the best job ever!"

<<camera zooms on Captain Jimmy as he sees a Boeing 757 pass by in Delta colors... Jimmy's vision blurs... he looks again and the paintjob has changed. It says "Delta Connection" now. Jimmy's mouth contorts once again to that crooked smile. Fade to black>>

<<camera fades in on Sally>>

Sally: "Do YOU know someone who is a victim of SJS? Watch for these warning signs! "

* Do you know a CFI who has applied at Mesa or Boston/Maine?
* Do you know a CFI who is burned out after 6 weeks of instructing?
* Do you know a student pilot who has answered an flight school ad for "guaranteed interview with our regional airline partner"?
* Do you know a pilot who has purchased a CRJ type-rating?
* Do you know a regional-jet pilot who has purchase a 737 type-rating?
* Do you know an airline pilot who has taken concessions in order to allow their company to purchase larger airplanes?
* Do you know a pilot who believes that AirTran and Jetblue are the "majors" they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"?
* Do you know any member of the RJDC who STILL BELIEVES that mainline pilots are hurting their career expectations?
* Do you know any airline pilots who refuse to dress in their uniform as specified by their SOP because "if they wanted me to dress better, they'd pay me better"?
* Do you know any airline pilots who carry their hats for 4-days without ever putting it on their head?
* Do you know any airline pilots who wear a backpack rather than carry adult-luggage?
* Have you flown with copilots who say, "I cant believe they pay us to do this!!"?
* Do you know any individual whose first "real" job involved carrying 50-90 people in the back of a jetliner?
* Do you know any regional jet pilot who drops the "Express" or "Connection" portion of their airline name while using their profession to attempt to pick up women in a bar?

Sally: "If the answer to any of those questions was "yes" your friend might have SJS. Watch for these warning signs. SJS is a violent and dangerous disease. If left unchecked for too long the entire airline piloting profession will be NEUTERED. It is important to stop it in its tracks. Together we can reach that goal."

"Here at the Jets R' Neat Institute we are researching cures for SJS. We've developed revolutionary cures including:

* Make minimum experience requirements to fly part 121 at LEAST as stringent as part 135 minimums -- and make it a regulation.
* Shut down all flight schools that "guarantee" interviews.
* Raise CFI pay so that pilots are more likely to spend time in that position.
* Require that each part 121 candidate have at least 500 hours PIC (not instructor time) operating within the IFR system in day and night, and in all weather conditions.
* Preference to be given to pilots who have held jobs outside of aviation.
* Bryan Bedford and Johnathan Orenstein to be executed publically at dawn.
* Duane Woerth will be forced to watch the execution of the above before being surprised by his own execution. He's just too stupid to be left in charge of ALPA.

Sally: "We've done a lot, but you can help. For just $246 per day you can sponser a flight instructor or regional airline pilot.

For less than the cost of a good-quality, high definition television you can sponser an aspiring airline pilot and show them what life would be like if they actually made the money that major airline pilots used to make. This is the first step in ending SJS."

<<camera fades to Jimmy's Comair Academy enrollment photo. He's shaking hands with mascot "RJ">>

"Jimmy needs your help. Please send your check for $7626/month to:


I am going back to the farm and tractor stuff.

Noah, your post is right on!
 

Your post is deserving of being it's own Sticky!

Right on, my friend! :D

B, e, a, u, ti ,fu lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. Thanks. I wish I could say that. Wait, I will . I swear. You said it all MAN../...Dude......ya........know...?

Right? To the S.J.P..'s...........LOL. Humus

Dude, what a long, drawn out post. You need to learn to PACE yourself when you type.

Too lazy to type. Copied and pasted.:rolleyes:

Hoah couldn't keep up the PACE!

Hey Steve C. Glad to see you're still around. Still waiting for you to come back to the other forum.

Help
 

I think he was just trying to help. Sometimes you gotta let go for a while. I have a few ex-coworkers who are at Tradewinds and they hate it to a huge degree. They are gone all the time and don't get paid much at all. Perhaps you should call everyone you know outside of aviation and do something else for a while? The first few days hurt like a MF but it gets better slowly. I have been sidelined for almost three years now and I am very glad I didn't allow myself to be tempted by any fly by night operators.

SKyHigh

Take any UPS post or response here with a grain. Most went to UPS from the military and never had a job or needed a job after getting lucky and getting on with UPS.

Dont let his response surprise you.

Yeah Those scummy military guys--just sitting around building time in the garden spots of the world without a care. And then these major airlines grab them up before they can get a real job. Just trying to keep them off the streets I guess. REDWAVE:eek:

I am sure you flew alot of missions on the other side of the world getting shot at in your RJ too. I don't think you have the right to claim we never had a "job" until you go for a combat mission with one of us...

WTF !!!!
Why don't you just go back to the regional side of this bb, where you belong. I don't try to post about the way that you came up through the ranks, and I don't care to read your moronic thoughts on what it's like to come up through the military. There are alot of pilots on this bb that have put their life on the line every time they suited up and pushed the throttles to the firewalll just to get airborne with all engine EGT lights on because of the Fcking heat of the desert. That was just to get airborne, not to mention the Fcking getting lit up by enemy SAM sites to and from there objective. Please refrain from calling this path of accumulating hours sitting around in garden spots building time.
You should be ashamed at yourself, as I am ashamed that you are in the same career as some of us. Sometimes, it amazes me how ignorant some people can be.

Thank you FedUp. All most all of us pay our dues to get where we are. It's just done in different ways.

Thats not completely true. I dont where you get fly by night since TDX has been around since 1967. On the 747 we are on the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off sked and I have to be gone more than 15 days. Skeds arent that bad but the flying down in South America gets old real quick. Pay is avg for the ACMI operators but I will say it is very low for overall 747 opeartors but then again I get $3/hr for per diem and that is continous. (I make more per diem in a month than a Mesa f/o makes on salary.) Plus a $10/hr override for each hour flown. Dont have to worry about a crash pad since all hotels are picked up.
I am not a company cheerleader but TDX is not the best place to work and its not the worst. If you need a place to hang you hat for a while til you move on or get recalled, there are worse places to be.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think redwave was being sarcastic!

MD11 Thank goodness someone can tell the difference--I thought I made it sarcastic enough that everyone would get it. We can get into a lotof discussions about military vs civ. I was taken aback by the post that military guys just walked into these neat airline jobs without having a real job!! Mine was posted in fun as I am one of those scummy guys who lucked out. Someday I'll get a real job. REDWAVE:eek:

Fedup--Hope that splains it better

Must have had too many scotch and waters last night. I stand corrected.

Tradewinds is definately a bottom feeder. They furlough frequently and I have heard from a lot of guys that work there that they have trouble getting a paycheck on a regular basis. The flying is spuradic, planes are falling apart, and the pay is terrible. They recently had a plane go off the end of the runway in S. America. If I were you I'd try Southern. Pay is not that good but they take care of their crews. Also I'd even look at Kollitta before Tradewinds. If your without choice or have an opportunity to get on with tradewinds than do what you have to do. Just keep in mind that you will probably get furloughed, and you won't be doing a lot of flying.

It is not luck, but who you know.

Thanks, How about getting to and from work. Training? Insurance, is there a group policy? I spent 12yrs at what we lovingly called "the cream of the crap" nonsked and a brief time at a major. Brief enough that it does not scare me to work for another supplemental. Hell, things are changing with the supplemental carriers too, the last time I was hired by one it was over the phone. How about the Asian stuff? Thanks for your help. Trying to get Intel on short notice is a pain.