UPS adds drivers, shrinks pilots
04-08-2010, 08:59 AM
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UPS adds drivers, shrinks pilots
Well the boys (and a couple of girls in Atlanta) are expanding the grounds side (expecting the FAA bill to pass??) While they are shrinking the airline side. Interesting way to do business. The air side is much more profitable than the ground side. Not sure the percentage because the way the bean counters cook the books. Guess that is why they make all that money!
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After the furlough we will have the tightest airline in the airline world. So tight in fact they have to cancel/delay flights for lack of crews. ACP's having fun yet? Its gonna get MUCH better.
20+ MANDATORY retirements this year, 50+ every year for the next few. 300 pilots on furlough by Spring of 2011.
By 2015 our Airline could be down to 2200-2300 pilots. Not parking any planes, well they say they are but that is not what is actually happening. Adding about 25 in the next 5 years.
Things that make you go HHHHMMMMMMM
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After the furlough we will have the tightest airline in the airline world. So tight in fact they have to cancel/delay flights for lack of crews. ACP's having fun yet? Its gonna get MUCH better.
20+ MANDATORY retirements this year, 50+ every year for the next few. 300 pilots on furlough by Spring of 2011.
By 2015 our Airline could be down to 2200-2300 pilots. Not parking any planes, well they say they are but that is not what is actually happening. Adding about 25 in the next 5 years.
Things that make you go HHHHMMMMMMM
04-08-2010, 09:40 AM
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I think we have seen the peak of pilots here at UPS. 2500 is a number I keep hearing for years and years to come. This place will probably never see 2900-3000 ever again. Scope is gonna be the next big issue for the IPA to tackle in the next few years.
04-08-2010, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE
I think we have seen the peak of pilots here at UPS. 2500 is a number I keep hearing for years and years to come. This place will probably never see 2900-3000 ever again. Scope is gonna be the next big issue for the IPA to tackle in the next few years.
Shrink the most profitable division. Makes $en$e.
04-08-2010, 12:18 PM
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A large part of the problem is that UPS was founded as a trucking company, and they've never been able to get over that mentality. When they started the "airline", they went and asked the truckers if they were interested in learning to fly the jets. Personally I believe that UPS management is still uneasy having to deal with pilots, because in a lot of cases, the pilots are as smart as, if not more so, than most of the managers. Not the (perceived) case with the box-throwers.
So just because the "airline" is the most profitable division of UPS, doesn't mean that the executives are committed to it. Left to their own devices, I'm sure they'd like to close the doors on the airline division, and go back to the way it was 50 years ago. It's because of the other air freight companies that UPS doesn't, understanding that they would loose even more market share.
JJ
So just because the "airline" is the most profitable division of UPS, doesn't mean that the executives are committed to it. Left to their own devices, I'm sure they'd like to close the doors on the airline division, and go back to the way it was 50 years ago. It's because of the other air freight companies that UPS doesn't, understanding that they would loose even more market share.
JJ
04-08-2010, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
A large part of the problem is that UPS was founded as a trucking company, and they've never been able to get over that mentality. When they started the "airline", they went and asked the truckers if they were interested in learning to fly the jets. Personally I believe that UPS management is still uneasy having to deal with pilots, because in a lot of cases, the pilots are as smart as, if not more so, than most of the managers. Not the (perceived) case with the box-throwers.
So just because the "airline" is the most profitable division of UPS, doesn't mean that the executives are committed to it. Left to their own devices, I'm sure they'd like to close the doors on the airline division, and go back to the way it was 50 years ago. It's because of the other air freight companies that UPS doesn't, understanding that they would loose even more market share.
JJ
So just because the "airline" is the most profitable division of UPS, doesn't mean that the executives are committed to it. Left to their own devices, I'm sure they'd like to close the doors on the airline division, and go back to the way it was 50 years ago. It's because of the other air freight companies that UPS doesn't, understanding that they would loose even more market share.
JJ
Oh well. What comes around goes around
04-08-2010, 03:41 PM
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How deep would 300 go as far as hire dates?
04-08-2010, 03:45 PM
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Fall 2006.
04-08-2010, 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
Well the boys (and a couple of girls in Atlanta) are expanding the grounds side (expecting the FAA bill to pass??) While they are shrinking the airline side. Interesting way to do business. The air side is much more profitable than the ground side. Not sure the percentage because the way the bean counters cook the books. Guess that is why they make all that money!
usps-thinks-out-of-the-box: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance
After the furlough we will have the tightest airline in the airline world. So tight in fact they have to cancel/delay flights for lack of crews. ACP's having fun yet? Its gonna get MUCH better.
20+ MANDATORY retirements this year, 50+ every year for the next few. 300 pilots on furlough by Spring of 2011.
By 2015 our Airline could be down to 2200-2300 pilots. Not parking any planes, well they say they are but that is not what is actually happening. Adding about 25 in the next 5 years.
Things that make you go HHHHMMMMMMM
usps-thinks-out-of-the-box: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance
After the furlough we will have the tightest airline in the airline world. So tight in fact they have to cancel/delay flights for lack of crews. ACP's having fun yet? Its gonna get MUCH better.
20+ MANDATORY retirements this year, 50+ every year for the next few. 300 pilots on furlough by Spring of 2011.
By 2015 our Airline could be down to 2200-2300 pilots. Not parking any planes, well they say they are but that is not what is actually happening. Adding about 25 in the next 5 years.
Things that make you go HHHHMMMMMMM
04-08-2010, 10:47 PM
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A driver at UPS makes an average 75,000 dollars a year ...
A pilot at the regionals makes an average 25,000 dollars a year ...
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Im sorry this just made my head spin ...
A pilot at the regionals makes an average 25,000 dollars a year ...
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Im sorry this just made my head spin ...
04-09-2010, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
Shrink the most profitable division. Makes $en$e.
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