fedupbusdriver

When is the company going to admit that the md11 and the md10 are two separate animals, and start teaching 11 crews the landing differences?

captain_drew

Maybe when they crash enough of 'em so that the FAA 'makes 'em'? . .

What ever happened to the managment doofus who is infamous for "we haven't crashed one yet!"

MD11HOG

Capt. F won his lawsuit against the assosiation. I remember seeing his name for training but he's not in MD11 bid pack. I think he's got some job in mgt.

MD11HOG

Beuracrats and desk jockeys admit they were wrong? Never

surreal1221

How do I get that job?


j/k gents.

FoxHunter

There is more difference between a 727-100 and 727-200. That being said when you teach turning on auto flight at 500', never hand fly, IMHO you may have problems. If you recall before the "stabilized approach" we flew the 727 250K to the OM, stable at 2-300". Result, no accidents, go figure!!!

FoxHunter

Could be that he was right! Could be a problem with those that run training/standards. Book knowlege is great, real world experience is far better!!

JC Dude

There is more difference between a 727-100 and 727-200.

I disagree. On landing the difference between a 727-100 and -200 was a slight difference in the flare. There is a big difference in the flare between the MD-10 and 11.

captain_drew

That's NONSENSE! . .and patently untrue.

The gear were in a different location . .vis a vis your butt. . so they landed differently. . .and the 200 had a few more 'bells & whistles . .. but they BOTH have an F/E. . the MD-10 has been totally bastardized and screwed up just to save that 3rd salary.

MD11Fr8Dog

I was operating the next plane to land at MEM this morning. We were on a vector to 18L and then passed off to tower. My FO checked us in with tower, who then cleared us to land on 18R. When my FO questioned tower, he gave us the choice of 18L or 18R, as there was "no else around." We told him were set up for 18L and we'd stay there. Intercepted the LOC at 3,000ft and proceeded inbound. Wind was about 270 at 50-55 until about 1500-2000ft, then was still out of limits until about 500-600 ft, then still had a gusty 15knot xwind at touchdown (about 4 mins after the mishap). Passing 2000ft we heard a tower controller say something like "Roger, the trucks are rolling" and told my FO, "Damn, they know its me on final!" Passing 1500ft we heard tower again talking to the mishap crew (obviosly they were up a different tower freq), saying something about continuring to evacuate. We then saw the smoke on 18R just starting to billow, about 2/3rd of the way down the rwy. We landed and rolled out and took the last highspeed and turned north on "S". The fire was just about out as we passed abeam the point on 18R where the other MD-10 was stopped.

Here are some pics, thanks to my UPS jumpseater who came up front and grabbed my camera!