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07-08-2010, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
The drivers and loaders in FDX express are not union and it is difficult to organize them under the RLA.
07-08-2010, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
Difficult, not impossible. The pilots did it. If Teamsters had something that the drivers wanted it should be a shoe in. Just get 51%... not difficult at all. I don't see what the problem is.
Flying Tigers merger?????? We are also talking about when they voted in 2002to become ALPA it was 2906 pilots that voted for it. Over 90%. Most of that pilot group was based in Memphis. Do you realize under FDX's current status that it would be next to impossible to do with all of the employees all over the world??
07-08-2010, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
"The pilots did it"
Flying Tigers merger?????? We are also talking about when they voted in 2002to become ALPA it was 2906 pilots that voted for it. Over 90%. Most of that pilot group was based in Memphis. Do you realize under FDX's current status that it would be next to impossible to do with all of the employees all over the world??
Flying Tigers merger?????? We are also talking about when they voted in 2002to become ALPA it was 2906 pilots that voted for it. Over 90%. Most of that pilot group was based in Memphis. Do you realize under FDX's current status that it would be next to impossible to do with all of the employees all over the world??
07-08-2010, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
What does being based in Memphis have to do with it? Other airlines are organized under the RLA and they have geographically separated members. And "next to impossible"? I submit that it is exponentially easier to organize now in the age of internet and email. Other airline did it in 60s, 70s, and 80s when stuff had to be mailed and gathered. Today it should be easy, but I guess Teamsters doesn't want to put the effort in to do it under the current law.
Teamsters want the laws to be equal since both companys are. Fred wants to continue to be the union buster he always has been.
Rockefeller opposes change to FedEx labor classification – DC Velocity
07-08-2010, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
Drivers at UPS can and have voted to form their own Teamster locals in myriad cities across the land, as the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA) permits. Under the RLA, however, the rules for forming unions are very different: The entire nationwide workforce must vote in a single election, and the union must obtain a majority not just of the workers voting but of voters and non-voters combined. (If a comparable rule held for presidential elections, requiring the winner to obtain a majority of the adult population of the United States, it's not clear that this nation would have had a president since—well, ever.)
Teamster want the laws to be equal since both companys are. Fred wants to continue to be the union buster he always has been.
Rockefeller opposes change to FedEx labor classification – DC Velocity
Teamster want the laws to be equal since both companys are. Fred wants to continue to be the union buster he always has been.
Rockefeller opposes change to FedEx labor classification – DC Velocity
07-08-2010, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
I understand how it works. If Teamsters is so compelling, then it shouldn't be a problem, right?
Sluggo you work for Fed Ex right? Just asking? Are you ALPA?
http://www.alpa.org/Home/WhoWeAre/AL...3/Default.aspx
" ALPA is the only pilot union affiliated with the AFL-CIO. ALPA’s president serves as an AFL-CIO Executive Council member and as a vice-president of the AFL-CIO’s Transportation Trades Department, which represents 35 member unions in the aviation, rail, transit, trucking, highway, longshore, maritime, and related industries."
FYI :2005: Teamsters break away from AFL-CIO, joining Change to Win coalition, which includes a total of seven affiliated unions with six million members.
http://www.changetowin.org/about-us.html
Coincidence???? Just Sayin
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07-08-2010, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
Right... Thats why they are so compelled at getting the laws changed to even the playing field.
Sluggo you work for Fed Ex right? Just asking?
Sluggo you work for Fed Ex right? Just asking?
Doesn't matter who I work for, really. But, yes, I do. And I support all FedEx workers to unionize under the RLA, and I hope it happens.
Who do you work for, and in what capacity?
07-08-2010, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
So, why don't they work at getting UPS under the RLA? That would even the playing field, also, right?
Doesn't matter who I work for, really. But, yes, I do. And I support all FedEx workers to unionize under the RLA, and I hope it happens.
Who do you work for, and in what capacity?
Doesn't matter who I work for, really. But, yes, I do. And I support all FedEx workers to unionize under the RLA, and I hope it happens.
Who do you work for, and in what capacity?
Why should UPS go under the RLA other than to bust the unions?
It matters to understand your argument. Which frankly I don't
You support the next to impossible then right? Just like "I voted for it before I voted against it"
What are you doing to support it then?
I was a high level manager for a international chemical company that due to RIF is out of work.
Are you offering me a job?
07-08-2010, 02:55 PM
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Soyathink,
You were a high level manager for an international chemical company that is now unemployed. Unfortunately for us, you spend more time arguing on a pilot's forum than looking for a job.
I work for Fedex. I don't want to "even" the playing field. If workers want to unionize at Fedex, they have that option. Is it harder? Yes, no doubt. But what Sluggo is trying to tell you is that if the Teamsters are so damn compelling, they should have no problem organizing at Fedex. Go door to door, send flyers, etc.
I am not sure what part of this you don't understand. We, as Fedex pilots, formed a union. It can be done. If drivers want to unionize, they could do the same. Mechanics, load crews, etc, could do the same.
You were a high level manager for an international chemical company that is now unemployed. Unfortunately for us, you spend more time arguing on a pilot's forum than looking for a job.
I work for Fedex. I don't want to "even" the playing field. If workers want to unionize at Fedex, they have that option. Is it harder? Yes, no doubt. But what Sluggo is trying to tell you is that if the Teamsters are so damn compelling, they should have no problem organizing at Fedex. Go door to door, send flyers, etc.
I am not sure what part of this you don't understand. We, as Fedex pilots, formed a union. It can be done. If drivers want to unionize, they could do the same. Mechanics, load crews, etc, could do the same.
07-08-2010, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by golfandfly
Soyathink,
You were a high level manager for an international chemical company that is now unemployed. Unfortunately for us, you spend more time arguing on a pilot's forum than looking for a job.
I work for Fedex. I don't want to "even" the playing field. If workers want to unionize at Fedex, they have that option. Is it harder? Yes, no doubt. But what Sluggo is trying to tell you is that if the Teamsters are so damn compelling, they should have no problem organizing at Fedex. Go door to door, send flyers, etc.
I am not sure what part of this you don't understand. We, as Fedex pilots, formed a union. It can be done. If drivers want to unionize, they could do the same. Mechanics, load crews, etc, could do the same.
You were a high level manager for an international chemical company that is now unemployed. Unfortunately for us, you spend more time arguing on a pilot's forum than looking for a job.
I work for Fedex. I don't want to "even" the playing field. If workers want to unionize at Fedex, they have that option. Is it harder? Yes, no doubt. But what Sluggo is trying to tell you is that if the Teamsters are so damn compelling, they should have no problem organizing at Fedex. Go door to door, send flyers, etc.
I am not sure what part of this you don't understand. We, as Fedex pilots, formed a union. It can be done. If drivers want to unionize, they could do the same. Mechanics, load crews, etc, could do the same.
Funny how UPS, some years ago, was fighting tooth and nail to get UPS classified as an 'airline' under the RLA. Teamsters fought it, and won. Now UPS and Teamsters are hand-in-hand in their attempt to hijack the FAA re-authorization bill and keep some important safety measures from being implemented. There will be blood on both UPS's and Teamsters' hands if we have another Colgan Buffalo accident in the near future.
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