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Whistlin' Dan 08-02-2010 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 849633)
Intra US.

They can all fly from anywhere in the world and Land in ANC.

From there they are now allowed to sort and trans load Freight and fly to any US Destination they want.

ANC to any US city is Intra US.


Originally Posted by HazCan (Post 849635)
Intra-US. The deal that Stevens worked allows them to do one additional leg after landing in ANC

That's what I thought. That is, that a foreign carrier bringing stuff into this country is allowed to drop it off in more than one spot. Nothing unusual in that.

Cabotage is something else entirely. Maybe the OP can expand a little more on the exact provisions of Sen. Steven's bill, and how they're affecting him personally?

J Dawg 08-02-2010 10:49 PM


Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan (Post 849781)
That's what I thought. That is, that a foreign carrier bringing stuff into this country is allowed to drop it off in more than one spot. Nothing unusual in that.

Yep, not sure what the point is here. If Asian carriers are picking up originating Alaska freight and delivering to the lower 48.... well yes that is cabotage and a reason for concern. Haven't seen any evidence of that happening.

All those Asian carriers will stop in ANC regardless as it's a tech stop; and they will continue to the lower 48. Its not any different than Qantas flying from JFK-LAX to transfer NYC pax to AKL/SYD/MEL/BNE.. or United flying SFO/LAX-SYD and transferring LAX/SFO pax onward SYD-MEL. Its not cabotage in either case because tickets (and therefore revenue) is not being generated domestically.

BTW (for the OP) "Maltese" pertains to people from Malta, a tiny island in the Mediterranean; or a breed of dog. I doubt either is flying freighters through ANC.

v1 uh-oh 08-03-2010 12:08 AM


Originally Posted by J Dawg (Post 849909)
Yep, not sure what the point is here. If Asian carriers are picking up originating Alaska freight and delivering to the lower 48.... well yes that is cabotage and a reason for concern. Haven't seen any evidence of that happening.

All those Asian carriers will stop in ANC regardless as it's a tech stop; and they will continue to the lower 48. Its not any different than Qantas flying from JFK-LAX to transfer NYC pax to AKL/SYD/MEL/BNE.. or United flying SFO/LAX-SYD and transferring LAX/SFO pax onward SYD-MEL. Its not cabotage in either case because tickets (and therefore revenue) is not being generated domestically.

BTW (for the OP) "Maltese" pertains to people from Malta, a tiny island in the Mediterranean (or a bread of dogs). I doubt either is flying freighters through ANC.


I love dog bread!! Mmmmm tasty.

J Dawg 08-03-2010 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by v1 uh-oh (Post 849913)
I love dog bread!! Mmmmm tasty.

Soooo good with whine and cheese.. :)

Swedish Blender 08-10-2010 11:04 AM

Former Alaska Sen. Stevens dies in plane crash

gloopy 08-10-2010 11:45 AM

Classic example of burning the furniture to heat the house. A few token ground jobs that he "created" in exchange for the camel's nose under the tent in one of the most crucial cargo markets for our country. Moron.

Of course many legacies sold their souls fairly recently for a few token Heathrow slots in exchange for significantly loosened US-EU rights. HUGE mistake tomorrow for a pittance of a payday today. Classic MBA move.

4everFO 08-10-2010 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by 767pilot (Post 849541)
Wasn't he un-felonized?

Yes, the conviction was thrown out for mis conduct by the prosecution. He was not a felon. Funny enough the DOJ chose not to re-try the case since he had already lost his bid for re-election.

Also, there are plenty of Americans working for almost every one of those foreign carriers that fly through ANC.

FO.

Golden Bear 08-10-2010 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by 4everFO (Post 853812)
Also, there are plenty of Americans working for almost every one of those foreign carriers that fly through ANC.

And that's part of the end result: If cabotage had not been allowed, perhaps those pilots would instead be working for American employers under American work rules with American labor-laws protecting them.

HazCan 08-10-2010 12:00 PM

Give it a rest, the guy just died.

HireAstarPilots 08-10-2010 03:55 PM

Ted Stevens, RIP.

Lets just talk about his achievements.

N455A, the airplane he died in:

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