Black Meatball

Thanks USMCFDX. Thats good news for me!

Gooch121

MaxKts...thanks for catching my mistake. Edited/corrected original comment. Somewhere I divided 100 by 2, carried the 4 and subtracted 8.5 and thus ended up with a grossly incorrect figure.

The 40% vacation max buy back limitation is listed for each pilot in VIPS-pilot bank balances-vacation. It is the amount of unused vacation CHs the pilot may sell back to the company at the end of the year.

Under option 2, the company will cash out your unused vacation CHs (whether lost due to training, bad bidding, whatever) at the end of the year and those hours are subject to the 40% limitation.

Under option 3, the company will cash out those vacation hours on your next pay check (or within a month) and those CHs do not count towards that 40% max buy back at the end of the year. This option requires contact with the vacation/pay offices.

Again sorry for the math error and thanks for catching it!

Busboy

Not sure if this helps, or not. It's out of that CBA thing:

E.1.b. Change of Crew Position

i. A pilot changing crew positions shall retain his previously awarded or assigned vacation period(s).

ii. If a pilot is unable to take his scheduled vacation due to a conflict with initial, transition or upgrade (ITU) training, and he is then activated with more than 120 days remaining until the end of the last bid period in the calendar year, then within 30 days following activation into his new crew position, he shall select a different vacation period(s). His selection shall be made from among the following slots in the current year:

(a) open slots; or

(b) slots currently held by any junior pilot in the new crew position; or

(c) slots retained by any junior pilot who is scheduled to activate in that same new crew position within 120 days following the pilot's activation into his new crew position.

iii. Notwithstanding Section 7.E.1.b.ii. (above), if fewer than 3 slots are available for selection when the pilot activates, Section 7.E.1.b.iv. (below) shall apply.

iv. If a pilot is unable to take his scheduled vacation due to a conflict with ITU training, and he is activated with 120 days or less remaining until the end of the last bid period in the calendar year, he may select a different vacation period as provided in Section 7.E.1.b.ii. (above). If no selection is made within 30 days following his activation, Section 7.E.1.b.v. (below) shall apply.

v. If a pilot's vacation is not rescheduled as provided in Section 7.E.1.b.ii., or E.1.b.iv. (above), his vacation slot shall be bought back subject to the provisions of Section 7.G.6. (below), or, as an exception to the 40% buy back, the pilot may request to have the credit hours of vacation affected by the training in Section 7.E.1.b.ii. (above) paid. Any vacation not bought back shall be a positive adjustment to the pilot's vacation bank for the following year. A vacation change or buy back required in connection with a crew position change shall not be considered a vacation cancellation.

vi. Selection of a junior pilot's vacation slot shall not impact the junior pilot's vacation award.

----and----

7.G.6. Clearing the Bank

a. A pilot who has a positive balance in his vacation bank after his last vacation period of the year shall be paid for those credit hours, prior to the end of the year, at his pay rate at the beginning of the bid period in which the buy back is paid. The maximum balance subject to buy back is 40% of the vacation bank balance as of the beginning of the calendar year, including positive or negative adjustments from the previous year, plus positive adjustments in the current year, if any.

b. Flight management may approve vacation buy back in excess of the 40% limit contained in Section 7.G.6.a. (above), due to a pilot's extenuating circumstances.

I added the bold type for clarity.

FXDX

Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I have been searching this site and the contract for the language and process for invoking option 3 highlighted above.

Can anybody point me to the correct section of the contract? I have read sections 7 and 11 and haven't found it, I must be missing something.

Thanks

4A2B

Are you now completed with ITU and lost a 2013 vacation? If so the buyback option is only applicable if there is less than 120 days remaining in the year or if there are les than 3 slots ...more info read the CBA. This is all selectable in the vacation system in vips and in CBA 7.e.1.b. and needs to be accomplished within 30 days of activation.

FXDX

Does 7.E.1.b.v allow us the option to not reschedule the vacation but have it paid prior to activation? If one were to take a pay cut after activation they may prefer to have the vacation paid at the current pay rate prior to activation in the new (lower) pay rate.

Does the pilot have the option or is it the company's option?

Thanks

FlybyKnite

Sorry, Nope. I talked to the 'vacation lady' about my ttu vacation canx options, and she says you can only make your election AFTER activation.