UPS Furlough (Part III)
08-16-2010, 08:08 PM
#33
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These ACPs don't do Jack Squat!!!
Their job IS to support their line guys in crises like this passport situation.
For Chrissakes', they're getting paid top wages; can't they figure out this simple concept? This is military officership 101 (not to dis the civy dudes).
How about some leadership?
Epic FAIL!
Their job IS to support their line guys in crises like this passport situation.
For Chrissakes', they're getting paid top wages; can't they figure out this simple concept? This is military officership 101 (not to dis the civy dudes).
How about some leadership?
Epic FAIL!
Last edited by highsky; 08-17-2010 at 03:55 AM.
08-17-2010, 03:23 AM
#34
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Posts: 652
Originally Posted by highsky
These ACPs don't do Jack Squat!!!
Their job IS to support their guys in crises like this passport situation.
For Chrissakes', they're getting paid top wages; can't they figure out this simple concept? This is military officership 101 (not to dis the civy dudes).
How about some leadership?
Epic FAIL!
Their job IS to support their guys in crises like this passport situation.
For Chrissakes', they're getting paid top wages; can't they figure out this simple concept? This is military officership 101 (not to dis the civy dudes).
How about some leadership?
Epic FAIL!
08-17-2010, 04:20 AM
#35
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Posts: 320
Originally Posted by Airbum
IMO the acp's did do their job, their job is to support the mgt side of UPS, cross picket lines if needed and provide a buffer if mgt policies cause service issues. The ACP's are not there for the line pilot.
This company could have Global Domination, easily, if they just put their mind to it, and treated their pilots accordingly.
Do you think pilots consider all the variables required to make service?
Umm, yeah.
08-17-2010, 04:23 AM
#36
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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker
Hey slick, the pilot's passport was stolen from his "secure" hotel room. The passport was located in a locked bag (secured with a TSA approved lock), in a supposedly "secure" hotel, where we will be safe, and our belongings safe from pilferage. The pilot's action in securing his passport was more than reasonable and perfectly responsible when staying at some 5 star hotel with security personnel and cameras everywhere.
I don't know of any pilots that physically carry their passports with them when they go out on the town, because there is a chance you could misplace it, or you could get mugged, and have it taken from you. I guess we'll have to risk that now since our rooms are no longer secure. If we had a room safe (not always available), that would be our only other option.
Regardless, what the company should have done was help this pilot. Assist him with gateway personnel that speak English, that could accompany him to the Chinese police station, and immigration authorities. When you're not in Hong Kong, hardly anyone speaks English. How would you like to explain to Chinese authorities what exactly happened when you don't speak a word of Mandarin? The fact that our pilot was able to get out of there on his own in 9 days is a testament to his survival skills and his moxey.
I would love to stick some high ranking UPS manager in BFE, where nobody speaks English, take his passport, and tell him to find his own way back home. That would be comical to watch. He probably wouldn't even know how to make a phone call.
Nice going UPS...you've shown how much you value your employees...NOT.
I don't know of any pilots that physically carry their passports with them when they go out on the town, because there is a chance you could misplace it, or you could get mugged, and have it taken from you. I guess we'll have to risk that now since our rooms are no longer secure. If we had a room safe (not always available), that would be our only other option.
Regardless, what the company should have done was help this pilot. Assist him with gateway personnel that speak English, that could accompany him to the Chinese police station, and immigration authorities. When you're not in Hong Kong, hardly anyone speaks English. How would you like to explain to Chinese authorities what exactly happened when you don't speak a word of Mandarin? The fact that our pilot was able to get out of there on his own in 9 days is a testament to his survival skills and his moxey.
I would love to stick some high ranking UPS manager in BFE, where nobody speaks English, take his passport, and tell him to find his own way back home. That would be comical to watch. He probably wouldn't even know how to make a phone call.
Nice going UPS...you've shown how much you value your employees...NOT.
How often do you stay in a hotel again???? "Secure hotel room" thats funny. So no housekeeping right? There is no such thing as a "Secure" hotel room.
"Located in a locked bag" ... How safe and secure is that? If I were a thief, I'd go for the "Locked Bag"
"Secured with a TSA approved lock" TSA=Too Stupid for Arbys. You should know how bright our TSA people are. They are approving locks now? Thats funny. I'm sure those TSA approved locks are unpickable right?
If your room doesn't have a safe the front desk will.
My father was a high ranking UPS manager who lived in the Pac Rim and also in Germany during the cold war. These were assignments courtesy of UPS. Both were over a year not a layover.
So why didn't this pilot contact the US Embassy or Consulate? That would be the first thing I would have done. Guess what they speak Engrish too.
What did the IPA do for him? What did the other crew members do for him? Again how is this UPS' fault? How is this the FQS' fault?
Use some common sense that all.
Last edited by Soyathink; 08-17-2010 at 04:33 AM.
08-17-2010, 04:54 AM
#37
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AUTHOR:Carl Schurz (1829–1906)QUOTATION:The Senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, “My country, right or wrong.” In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
Gumbie and Soy: Can't help but think of your responses and then substitute country with company. "My company, right or wrong"
To the line pilots: hang in there, I was laid off up the road in CVG after 10 yrs. I even used my own product!
08-17-2010, 05:03 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by essayons
AUTHOR:Carl Schurz (1829–1906)QUOTATION:The Senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, “My country, right or wrong.” In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
Gumbie and Soy: Can't help but think of your responses and then substitute country with company. "My company, right or wrong"
To the line pilots: hang in there, I was laid off up the road in CVG after 10 yrs. I even used my own product!
Gumbie and Soy: Can't help but think of your responses and then substitute country with company. "My company, right or wrong"
To the line pilots: hang in there, I was laid off up the road in CVG after 10 yrs. I even used my own product!
08-17-2010, 05:06 AM
#39
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Not a groupie, this stuff is better than reality TV.....
So what did you do for your fellow crewmember? What did the IPA do for him?
If you didn't care then why did you respond?
Not a groupie, this stuff is better than reality TV.....
So what did you do for your fellow crewmember? What did the IPA do for him?
If you didn't care then why did you respond?
Last edited by acl65pilot; 08-17-2010 at 05:28 AM.
08-17-2010, 05:28 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by Airbum
IMO the acp's did do their job, their job is to support the mgt side of UPS, cross picket lines if needed and provide a buffer if mgt policies cause service issues. The ACP's are not there for the line pilot.
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