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GOFRTRS 08-28-2010 10:47 AM

FEDEX Training
 
With the recent loss of thrust in both engines in a 757 at altitude expect to see something from training about high altitude ice crystal formation. There have been documented problems in other airplanes & engines as well. You heard it here first.

MaydayMark 08-28-2010 10:53 AM

Didn't hear about this!*? Why wouldn't there have been a FCSR? I know there was an RJ with "core lock" issues (flying above optimum flight level)? Could this be related?

GOFRTRS 08-28-2010 11:37 AM

Calm down MaydayMark. It wasn't in a FEDEX 757.

jonnyjetprop 08-28-2010 11:47 AM

AERO - Engine Power Loss in Ice Crystal Conditions

http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/165923.pdf

http://flightsafety.org/asw/jun08/asw_jun08_p12-16.pdf

md11retiree 08-29-2010 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 862366)
Didn't hear about this!*? Why wouldn't there have been a FCSR? I know there was an RJ with "core lock" issues (flying above optimum flight level)? Could this be related?

Mayday, you told me you never read that stuff. See what happens to people that upgrade!;)

kronan 08-29-2010 10:08 AM

MM,

it's not related. The "core lock" issue received attention after the Pinnacle guys flamed out both motors joining the "410 Club". Wikipedia has it short and not so sweet. The NTSB report is equally frustrating\irritating reading.
Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Think about it this way, if you lose a motor you need to have someway to keep it turning fast enough to restart it, don't keep it turning and you can wind up with cooling issues as different parts of metal shrink\contract at different rates. So basically, Pinnacle guys minimized their descent angle, minimzing the speed through the motors and froze the engines. Once they made it to an altitude where an APU start was available, there was no way they were going to get either motor running short of a miracle. Unfortunately, they hid the fact that they had lost both engines for long enough to put them behind the power curve. A wager they both lost.

The Ice Crystal phenom is something different. Basically, the atmosphere is different than the models and engines are encountering some conditons scientists once thought impossible.
Still, I'd be more worried about it if I was a 777 guy

DLax85 08-29-2010 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by GOFRTRS (Post 862387)
Calm down MaydayMark. It wasn't in a FEDEX 757.

GOFRTRS -

Calm down and check your thread title. ;)

I think M&Ms assumption was justifed based on the title and lack of a specific company reference in your initial post.

:)

viking767 09-03-2010 04:32 AM


Originally Posted by GOFRTRS (Post 862364)
With the recent loss of thrust in both engines in a 757 at altitude expect to see something from training about high altitude ice crystal formation. There have been documented problems in other airplanes & engines as well. You heard it here first.

Recent?
I heard about a Challenge Air Cargo 757 some 12-15 years ago losing both engines descending through clouds with anti ice off.
Any other incidents?


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