Flew with the FO a number of times in school. Absolute great guy all around. God Speed!

Awful. Absolutely awful. Rest in Peace, brothers.

As an aside, I landed in DXB a week ago, and noticed the temp at about 1500 local was 47 C while on final. I wondered if I really had enough safety margin to go-around if I needed to. Very, very hot & humid there. A huge challenge if something goes wrong.

My heart felt condolences to the UPS family. Praying for the families of these guys.

Tailwinds my friends.

I just raised a glass to our fallen brethren at Brown who died in the line of duty today. My sincere condolences and prayers to their families, friends and to the folks at UPS who are at this moment, still in shock and grieving from this catastrophe. Fair winds and following seas guys.

Not much I can add to the eloquent words of some of the postings here today. How sad when any of our brothers and sisters in the cockpit fight the good fight and lose.

If the news accounts of the crew reporting fire in the cockpit turn out to be true, it will add to the already too long list of similar tragedies. Of all of the problems that can confront us in the cockpit, fire is the one that is probably the most time critical, and most difficult to deal with successfully.

The UPS crew and families are in our prayers.

RIP freightdog brothers

I only knew the FO on this flight. I did not know the CA. Out of respect for them and their families I am sorry, but I cannot release their names. The info will soon be public once everyone that needs to be notified has been.

My condolences go out to the UPS family as well.

Sad day for the families of UPS 6. My heart and prayers go out to the crew and families. It's a sad day for all us at UPS too.

Turbodog, I don't know how you got your information on who the crew is. This is frustrating for all of us. I await the news to see who my fallen brethren are. Thanks. :mad:

Rest in Peace fellas

Ladies and Gentlemen....I want you to know that I just walked up to my wife, and un-announced, kissed her.

"Just wanted you to know I love you"

I did that in memory of the two people who died in this accident. I didn't tell her about it.

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Rest In Peace our flying brothers.

RIP..... and tailwinds flying west......

My thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends of the crew.
Rest in Peace.
Sincerely,
fbh

Here is what a company that cares about safety does.

FedEx Express installing new fire suppression system in 74 planes - Memphis Business Journal

There's a pilot over on PPrune that supposedly was on their freq. He said:

God rest our brothers/sisters. Whomever it may be.

While no facts are known by any of us at this point, I have to say this since I just went through long term.

Training needs to change at UPS. We did the "cargo fire" dance and okay, everything is fine. I flew hazmat in a former life versus what UPS carries. I ask captains (at UPS), when we're over water, what they would do if we had a fire. 99/100 would say follow the checklist and stay high and hope the fire goes out. My point to them was, if we are on fire, it is probably something we don't know about. No one would ditch under power.

It is not the case here but still applies. During his training/checkride on the -400 at Evergreen, my friend said the fed started a stopwatch when he introduced the cargo fire and told them they have 20 minutes to land or they fail. Why 20 minutes? Historically, that is when the gig is up. I only say this because of what I read in one of the news reports

>The airplane impacted ground about 20 minutes after declaring emergency.<

Specifically speaking of the post below yours about not being able to see the instruments through smoke, would any FDX pilot be able to elaborate a bit on EVAS? I watched a video on their website today and it seems like something that ought to be forced into every cockpit out there. Evidently, one carrier has them and another does not in this case. I don't want to turn this thread into speculation but evidently other pilots did hear this crew asking for their altitude and speed because they couldn't even see it in front of them. :(

Here's to our fallen brothers. It could have been any of us in their place. They showed up for duty today like we all do, professionally and eagerly. This is absolutely devastating to all of us.

Raising a glass, peace.

J

Respect, Honor, Remember.

My thoughts and prayers are with the families and fellow aviators at UPS. Very sad! RIP Gods Speed

My sympathies for the families of our 2 pilots.

My prayers and my condolences!

My condolences to the friends and family of these two aviators, and to the crew force of UPS. These events are always untimely and terrible, both for the deceased as well as the rest of us in this industry. God Speed.

JJ

from another forum---

I had the misfortune of hearing the whole chain of events while we were going from Kuwait to Abu Dhabi. As time goes by and more information is gathered and released, the picture will become clearer. But the aircraft didn't crash on takeoff.

We were in Bahraini airspace when we heard the mayday of a "Fire on the 'Deck'" and an immediate descent to 10,000'. The captain requested vectors back to Dubai immediately. As the moments passed the whole cockpit filled with smoke and the CA indicated he could not see any instruments at all. With no visual reference and all instruments unreadable as well as difficulty relaying messages and getting information (reentered UAE FIR but was still talking to BAH 'cause he couldn't change frequencies). Altitudes, headings etc had to be relayed from UAE to BAH to airborne aircraft to UPS and back again (A MESS to say the least). Wound up straight in for 12L at DXB at 10 miles and 7,000'. Couldn't circle because he couldn't see anything. Turned south of the airport -blind- the whole while altitudes are being read to him. It was of no use. The aircraft crashed into a fairly unpopulated area (thankful for that at least). Words can't express the whole situation adequately.

Prayers for the family of the crew.

Cargo Hopeful,
That's a beautiful poem. Who's the author?

Training needs to change everywhere. If you're over land, get it on the ground while the other pilot does what they can to fight fire and do a checklist or two. If you're over water, get it to 100 feet above the water while the other pilot does what they can to fight the fire. If the fire won't go out, ditch it in the water under control.

Mine was an electrical fire about 70 miles out over the water. I did just what I said above. 360 knots til 15 mile final, then speed brakes and gear. We were on the ground in 11 minutes. I don't remember calling for a single checklist. My FO said he did some of them.

That fed was a smart guy. All training of inflight fires should be done under that kind of time pressure. It's makes it chaotic...but that's reality.

Like you, I don't know what happened here. But if their lost lives changes training of inflight fires, their deaths won't be in vain.

Carl

Frontseat,

I realize it is a bad time for many at UPS. While I don't work there, I've been furloughed and I believe I know what many of you are going through.

This thread is about a fatal accident and the loss of our fellow aviators. I think this isn't the time or place for anti-UPS rhetoric.

God bless the families of these two aviators....

Folks,
Its too early for speculation, hatred, or ill will. There will be plenty of time for that later. Right now I am sick to my stomach at the loss of our brothers, I can't imagine what their families are going through right now.

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the UPS family and those affected and involved with UPS 6. The flamebait post has been removed and the sentiment will only continue if it's acknowledged. Please take the lead of the two posters above and ignore it.

No amount of speculation or accusation will change the fact that we've lost two fellow aviators today. I know we all want details, but we know investigations take time. Be patient, the details will unfold and give us the information we need to prevent a re-occurrence. In the meantime, be careful out there.

Go take a walk, breathe the air, hug your loved ones, and reflect on the things that are truly important in memory of two guys who won't be with us tomorrow.

I just checked my email on my phone and received word of the accident. I'm really sorry for everybody at UPS and the families. This is horrible. My condolences.

Kind of eerie considering it's almost 12 years to the day since Swissair 111 went down.
Condolences to the families and to those at UPS.

Sad but true.

Sorry to hear the news, I'll certainly keep the crew and their loved ones in my thoughts and prayers tonight. RIP guys.

... man may brag of his science and skill, and however much, in a flattering future, that science and skill may augment; yet for ever and for ever, to the crack of doom, the sea will insult and murder him, and pulverize the stateliest, stiffest frigate he can make; nevertheless, by the continual repetition of these very impressions, man has lost that sense of the full awfulness of the sea which aboriginally belongs to it.

Melville
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We will all meet a circumstance we cannot overcome. Whether Shuttle, Concorde, or 747. We all go forth against the elements of weather, the machine and the system every time we lower the boats. The crew did the best they could and I think it better to die doing that which you love than under the terrible circumstance of old age.

All sympathy for the crew and their loved ones. Fly west, as we all shall in the end.

UPS Brothers -

Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your families.

God Bless,

VR,

DLax

I thought Naven was a UPS pilot. :confused:

In any case, I could not stop thinking about this all day. I can only imagine what was going through those poor pilot's minds in those last moments. I can't imagine the families getting those phone calls. Something like this just really makes it hit home that this could have happened to any one of us.

Condolences to the family and friends of those lost, and to all of those at Brown.

It is especially difficult reading the accounts of other crews that were flying in the area that heard it happen. I cannot imagine what those guys must have been going through trying to get the plane on the ground, not being able to see the instruments in front of them. I am horrified just thinking of myself in such a situation. Godspeed to the two UPS pilots who perished today. Their families are in my thoughts and prayers tonight.

I thought FS was talking about this comment.