By boat? I did not see this coming
09-15-2010, 05:45 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by vagabond
Mod Note:
Well, I'm on here to remind all of you boys and girls (again for the nth time) to stay on topic and avoid inflammatory posts. Maybe I'll just do a slash and burn, and keep doing it until it sinks in for everyone, eh?
The next ones who can't follow simple rules will have their posts deleted and get an infraction or two.
Addition: I'm going to go get a snack. Be back in a little bit. Please do not do anything that might give me a heartburn.
Well, I'm on here to remind all of you boys and girls (again for the nth time) to stay on topic and avoid inflammatory posts. Maybe I'll just do a slash and burn, and keep doing it until it sinks in for everyone, eh?
The next ones who can't follow simple rules will have their posts deleted and get an infraction or two.
Addition: I'm going to go get a snack. Be back in a little bit. Please do not do anything that might give me a heartburn.
Best regards, and keep the coffee hot and black.
JJ
09-15-2010, 05:47 PM
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09-15-2010, 05:54 PM
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jetjok,
just what I was thinking.
just what I was thinking.
09-15-2010, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by CactusCrew
2 years on the whale, never seen the nose door in use. Did hear they burned up the motors on the 1st one during "demonstrations"..
Originally Posted by CactusCrew
UPS does not put comfort and/or technology options on airplanes unless absolutely necessary to meet the MINIMUM regulation.
If you haven't figured it out by lurking around here yet, they don't put any SAFETY options besides the absolute minimum either. I'll leave it at that ....
If you haven't figured it out by lurking around here yet, they don't put any SAFETY options besides the absolute minimum either. I'll leave it at that ....
09-15-2010, 06:13 PM
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Soya, I had the West Coast manager for UPS airline freight on my acft a while back. He was responsible for all air freight in the US western region including Hawaii and Alaska.
He spent most of the flight from HNL to ONT moaning about how UPS airlines could care less about freight. He said that he is constantly turned down by the company when he has numerous customers that want to ship freight, LOTS of it, guaranteed amounts on a daily basis, but he said 99% of the time the airline turns him down even though there is room on our acft, because they are so paranoid about interfering with the small package ops.
He said that freight is truly the bastard stepchild at UPS. He does not even have an office! All his business is conducted on his cellphone, and he was crying over how the company wanted him to cut his cellphone minutes by 10% due to "belt tightening"!
We routinely fly acft around with empty positions, sometimes only half full, even in asia. Other airlines are able to stay in business carrying ONLY freight, yet UPS snubs their nose at it because the margins are not high enough.
I have also talked with shipping managers in asia who have told me that UPS only wants their high dollar priority stuff, and that because of that, and the hassle for them to split shipments, they give their business to FDX even though they are more expensive.
There has been a culture here, at least at the airline, of snubbing freight for a long time.
He spent most of the flight from HNL to ONT moaning about how UPS airlines could care less about freight. He said that he is constantly turned down by the company when he has numerous customers that want to ship freight, LOTS of it, guaranteed amounts on a daily basis, but he said 99% of the time the airline turns him down even though there is room on our acft, because they are so paranoid about interfering with the small package ops.
He said that freight is truly the bastard stepchild at UPS. He does not even have an office! All his business is conducted on his cellphone, and he was crying over how the company wanted him to cut his cellphone minutes by 10% due to "belt tightening"!
We routinely fly acft around with empty positions, sometimes only half full, even in asia. Other airlines are able to stay in business carrying ONLY freight, yet UPS snubs their nose at it because the margins are not high enough.
I have also talked with shipping managers in asia who have told me that UPS only wants their high dollar priority stuff, and that because of that, and the hassle for them to split shipments, they give their business to FDX even though they are more expensive.
There has been a culture here, at least at the airline, of snubbing freight for a long time.
09-15-2010, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dckozak
You know if this was say a, Small Package Forum in stead of a Pilot Forum you, sir, would be king of the boards. 
But alas, this forum is for pilots over pilot issues and not too concerned with issues related to marine transport, rail transport or road, other than how it affects AIR TRANSPORT.
Your interests appear to lie solely with UPS, Which is fine. But don't assume anyone reading here gives much of a rats @ss to these other issues, even if UPS makes lots of money using them.
To the UPS pilots reading this guys dribble, I hope this isn't typical of what you have to live with at Brown. But based of what I've read from you all, I assume it is. Thankfully at Purple, our company types keep a lower profile (online).
But alas, this forum is for pilots over pilot issues and not too concerned with issues related to marine transport, rail transport or road, other than how it affects AIR TRANSPORT. Your interests appear to lie solely with UPS, Which is fine. But don't assume anyone reading here gives much of a rats @ss to these other issues, even if UPS makes lots of money using them.
To the UPS pilots reading this guys dribble, I hope this isn't typical of what you have to live with at Brown. But based of what I've read from you all, I assume it is. Thankfully at Purple, our company types keep a lower profile (online).
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Anyway, I don't think it is so funny that UPS wants to diversify. It sounds like a sound business decision to me.
09-15-2010, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Lineslug
Soya, I had the West Coast manager for UPS airline freight on my acft a while back. He was responsible for all air freight in the US western region including Hawaii and Alaska.
He spent most of the flight from HNL to ONT moaning about how UPS airlines could care less about freight. He said that he is constantly turned down by the company when he has numerous customers that want to ship freight, LOTS of it, guaranteed amounts on a daily basis, but he said 99% of the time the airline turns him down even though there is room on our acft, because they are so paranoid about interfering with the small package ops.
He said that freight is truly the bastard stepchild at UPS. He does not even have an office! All his business is conducted on his cellphone, and he was crying over how the company wanted him to cut his cellphone minutes by 10% due to "belt tightening"!
We routinely fly acft around with empty positions, sometimes only half full, even in asia. Other airlines are able to stay in business carrying ONLY freight, yet UPS snubs their nose at it because the margins are not high enough.
I have also talked with shipping managers in asia who have told me that UPS only wants their high dollar priority stuff, and that because of that, and the hassle for them to split shipments, they give their business to FDX even though they are more expensive.
There has been a culture here, at least at the airline, of snubbing freight for a long time.
He spent most of the flight from HNL to ONT moaning about how UPS airlines could care less about freight. He said that he is constantly turned down by the company when he has numerous customers that want to ship freight, LOTS of it, guaranteed amounts on a daily basis, but he said 99% of the time the airline turns him down even though there is room on our acft, because they are so paranoid about interfering with the small package ops.
He said that freight is truly the bastard stepchild at UPS. He does not even have an office! All his business is conducted on his cellphone, and he was crying over how the company wanted him to cut his cellphone minutes by 10% due to "belt tightening"!
We routinely fly acft around with empty positions, sometimes only half full, even in asia. Other airlines are able to stay in business carrying ONLY freight, yet UPS snubs their nose at it because the margins are not high enough.
I have also talked with shipping managers in asia who have told me that UPS only wants their high dollar priority stuff, and that because of that, and the hassle for them to split shipments, they give their business to FDX even though they are more expensive.
There has been a culture here, at least at the airline, of snubbing freight for a long time.
I posted above the rankings, UPS Airlines being second in the world for freight tonnes. You can't get that by turning down freight right?
What is going on with the buildings and structures built for freight at say PHL and SDF after the Menlo purchase? The company was on fire to get those completed asap then.
I remember years ago seeing pallets of palletized freight at PIT gateway from Black Box. This was well before Menlo. That was even before UPS SCS. I had seen freight from Boeing at the BFI gateway before the push into freight.
If freight was the bastard stepchild of UPS then why all the purchases of freight companies ie Menlo? Why build the buildings for freight and forklifts in them? Why purchase Overnight and turn it into UPS Freight? Why spend so much money in Logistics and an ad campaign for it? Why announcing new ocean freight services?
I'll turn on my pm. Send me the managers name that stated that please.
Last edited by Soyathink; 09-15-2010 at 06:39 PM.
09-15-2010, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
"We are the most humble!!!" Your last sentence sort of negates your whole post, Mr Humble Pie
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Anyway, I don't think it is so funny that UPS wants to diversify. It sounds like a sound business decision to me.
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Anyway, I don't think it is so funny that UPS wants to diversify. It sounds like a sound business decision to me.
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Diversty is our strength.
PS JJ good post.
09-15-2010, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
Hey UPS uses rail and trucks to ship air too. Fred laughs when UPS makes 3x profit on it.
https://cgkibcase.com/Home_Page.html
Lawsuits Accuse UPS of Overcharging for Deliveries Labeled 'Next Day Air' -- LOS ANGELES, Feb. 4 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ --
Lawsuits Accuse UPS Of Overcharging For Deliveries Labeled 'Next Day Air' - TheStreet
09-15-2010, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by matty
Funny how no State Attorney generals filed suit for the same thing? What about the FTC? They didn't file suit either.
Only one ambulance chaser did. Working for a major law firm I see this stuff every day
Did you notice your links are pr news wires? Do you know what they are? Press releases to fill up empty space or Paid advertisements by the attorney who drummed up the lawsuit
Hit the link provided inside the links you posted.
www.upslawsuit.com
It goes right back to the attorney looking to strike it rich. You know the first link you provided
Get back to me when and if it actually makes it to court. FDX has it's own issues with class action lawsuits.
New service UPS 11 day boat......
Last edited by Soyathink; 09-15-2010 at 07:03 PM.
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