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Old 10-12-2010, 06:45 AM
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Can some of the pilots from each of the airlines listed above give us some information on QOL? What is the schedule like? This website only shares the schedule at Evergreen, 16 yo 18 days on. What about Kalitta and Southern Air? What is the typical schedule like and what is the most amount of days you had to work?

For Southen Air it is stated that training pay is per diem plus they give hotel. Well how much per diem comes up to?

what is the average monthly gross for the 1st year pay. Should an FO pretty much expect min guarantee pay each month plus per diem? how much does per diem average to?

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Just curious, what is the travel/DH policy at Southern and Evergreen (ie. business class DH over 5-6 hours etc)?
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Originally Posted by f10a View Post
Just curious, what is the travel/DH policy at Southern and Evergreen (ie. business class DH over 5-6 hours etc)?
Evergreen is the following:
  • positive space Business Class or better on all international flights (international being anything to a country other than the US, as well as flights to Alaska and Hawaii)
  • positive space Business class or better on all flights from coast to coast
  • positive space Business class or better on all domestic flights over 6 hours or more (arbitration recently refined definition to include all time spent on a layover as time counting towards the 6 hours)
  • deadhead on company aircraft greater than 6 hours requires first class seats*

*we have one aircraft that does not have an extended upper deck, blackout curtains, and only coach seats. This airplane cannot be used for deadhead transportation of flight crew

In practice, you get Business or better on any commercial flights other than direct flights to Denver for training, or direct flights from JFK to your home if you are involuntarily extended beyond your 16th day of duty and don't live in California, Oregon, or Washington. All flights that make connections exceed 6 hours, essentially. We usually seem to take Delta between Europe and New York these days, though Icelandic is occasionally cheaper. Delta/Alaska is the norm to Alaska. Any number of carriers is to be expected when transiting to Asia, though United, American, and China Eastern are the most typical these days.

Mileage and loyalty points are usually available on flights and @ hotels.

We also have a travel bank, allowing you to deviate from your scheduled flights. 50% of savings is credited to your travel bank.

Lots of info on Evergreen on other threads on the forum, both the good and the bad (pay).
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Originally Posted by meloveboeing View Post
what is the average monthly gross for the 1st year pay. Should an FO pretty much expect min guarantee pay each month plus per diem? how much does per diem average to?
Evergreen:

My first year I averaged 17.1 days of duty and 76.8 hours of pay, and $9000 of per diem for the year.

Those #'s work out to $4,070 monthly and $750 per diem, or $4,820 a month.

I'd say these #'s are a bit abnormal. Most guys here pick up much more open time, sacrificing days off. So, for each day off you give up per month, you can add $212 of pay and $48 per diem to your monthly total (4 credit hours, 1 day international per diem). Open time here is always available.

These #'s should go up if we ever get a new contract (don't hold your breath). The last proposal was keep the current pay rates - voted down by 96% of the crew force. Latest unsubstantiated rumor is raise the rates 14% (2 7% bumps). Our pay rates are from 1999. The CPI has gone up 31% since 1999.
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Kalitta 65.52per hour 1st yr.X28.62X26 paychecks per yr=$48754.75 per year. or $1875 every two weeks.
Per diem $1.70 per hour domestic, $2.60 international.
Ins $40 per paycheck for a couple (free after 5 yrs) or $20 for single.
17 days not extendable
I made over $55,000 my first year with training pay ($600 per week) and worked 18.4 per month. By the way my first year pay was $57.14 per hour for until Aug 1st and then it went to $60.00.

I hope this helps.

Click airlinepilotcentral on the bottom. then click downloads and then Airline contracts ours should be there.
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I didnt realize Evergreen had that good of deadheading rules. I have deadheaded alot at Kalitta, and have never seen a biz class seat. I think once they tried to send me on greyhound.
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I didnt realize Evergreen had that good of deadheading rules. I have deadheaded alot at Kalitta, and have never seen a biz class seat. I think once they tried to send me on greyhound.
Looks like E green has got a better deal than we do at UPS. I spend a lot of time in RJ's.
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot View Post
Looks like E green has got a better deal than we do at UPS. I spend a lot of time in RJ's.
Yeah, but domestically you cant avoid the RJ's, thanks to mainline, they have been taking over.
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If you have no life at all outside the airline, then DEFINITELY apply to Southern Air. They treat their pilots well! They pay you about half what they should, but...you can literally spend ALL your time on the road with that airline.

Their schedule: 20 days on. Basically, everyone is reserve, and you are bidding for days off. Here's the thing: Southern Air is NON UNION, so if they don't call you during your first 5 days on the schedule, but then call you on the 6th? Guess what- you still owe them 20 days. That means your schedule just got shifted. The other end: Lets say you are coming up on day 19, and you just landed in Incheon, South Korea. Are they going to fly you home, since your days off are coming up? NO! Unless there is an airplane flying through that can take you to US territory, then you are STUCK. And if that means you sit for 5 days...then you SIT for 5 days.

Everyone at Southern Air likes their job. It is a really decent place to work [despite the chief pilot], but if you have any sort of home life....forget it. It is the perfect place for some 25 year-old who can't stand the regionals and has no wife or kids. HEAVY jet time gets you into Fedex and UPS-

Kalitta is a FAR better place to work, but they know it and they won't hire people who don't have extensive airline experience.
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Most of these non-skeds are similar-you work 16-18 days a month and expect to be gone the whole time. If you happen to live in a city where they fly a lot maybe a couple more days off.
I left Connie a couple of years ago for more time at home. It was okay there, you are home based so no need to j/s to work. A buddy is at Evergreen and is miserable because of the low pay and poor morale there.
Atlas pays well, but you are on your own for travel if you don't live in domicile, and you can be extended involuntarily past your work days.
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