FDX-Pilot Math (Vacation)
 

I have vacation (7 days) in November and I was thinking about bidding reserve for next month. I was looking in the contract at the reserve vacation extension procedures and this is what it says:
So... I'm no rocket surgeon and my small western military school education has long since faded, but... using the formula in the contract I get:

{[(7 * 6) + 6] * 4.62} - 7 =
{[42 + 6] * 4.62} - 7 =
{48 * 4.62} - 7 =
221 - 7 =
214

So, the contract is saying that I can extend my vacation 214 days next month... looks like I'm taking the next 7 months off...

Enjoy peak without me this year, fellas!!! See you in May... suckers!!!

Your math might be correct, but your formula is wrong:

{[(7 x 6) +6] ÷ 4.600} - 7
= [(42 + 6) ÷ 4.600] - 7
= (10.434 rounded down) - 7
= 10 - 7 = 3

No partial credit, so back to your desk and redo the math!! ;)

Good Luck with that............. Don't take all the shrimp at the hub turn Christmas buffet

Well, I used the online source document... check 7.G.3.e

Looks like FedEx intern doesn't know know that there's a difference between a '/' and a '*'...

P.S. I knew it was supposed to be /, but was surprised when I saw the equation wrong online.

Use this link and save the .pdf to your computer.

https://pilot.fedex.com/contract/pdf_files/cba_2006.pdf

I don't like using the .pdf file because it doesn't have the little notes that are important.

Like this picture https://pilot.fedex.com/contract/images/cross.gif which means we got screwed somehow in the contract.

Or this picture https://pilot.fedex.com/contract/images/note.gif which means we got screwed somehow in the contract.

Or this picture https://pilot.fedex.com/contract/images/scales.gif which (surprisingly) also means we got screwed somehow.

Plus, that Acrobat program is so dang expensive...

Yep, that free Adobe Acrobat Reader is so expensive! :rolleyes:

Ok... I had three pictures in my last post so I couldn't put a :rolleyes: or a ;) ...but I figured I wouldn't have had to...

Another vacation question. I want to use max hours of vacation in Nov. I have 7 days scheduled starting on 22 Nov.

I know I can slide and knock out to back to back week long pairings.

But I can't expand and knock out any more than 48 hours, correct (42 + 6)?

My dream would be to slide and knock out thanksgiving week and a week of C/O. But since the most of the C/O trips start on the Dec 5th I guess I cant do that, right?

Lag,

If you can expand your vacation to touch a long trip, there is no limit to how much vacation time you burn. If it is more than what you have in your bank for 2010, you will be docked that time from next year's vacation. If you have a string of 6 CH trips, the system will only permit you to use one extra vacation day (6CH) over what you have for the end of NOV. If you have 8 days, you can burn 9 days regardless how many hours you have left in your vacation bank.

I hope this helps. I lost 10 CHs a few years ago and I am still steamed at myself.

Thanks Popeye,

So I can expand my 42 hours of vacation to conflict 60 hours. Even though the contract says:

7.E.3.b. A vacation expansion shall not cause a vacation conflict that exceeds the credit hour value of the original vacation period by more than 6 CH. All days in the expanded vacation period shall be consecutive.

Bzzzzt! Popeye didn't eat his spinach.

SLIDE has no limit. Expand is limited to Vac days +1 * 6, 48 in your case.

Expand cannot knock out a trip that touches any part of Thanksgiving day.

Close, what you meant to say is "slide", otherwise you are on the money.

Expansion and slide are two separate events. Expansion is limited to +6CH, period end of story. Slide, with some minor holiday month exceptions, has no CH limit.

I used the :rolleyes: for you! ;)

Yep, I once knocked out over 120hrs without touching a trip. I had 8 days of VAC and slid into the 10 days between 2 trips I had (10 day trip - 10 days off - 11 day carryover trip) and knocked them out with buffer.

Oops, re-read you question, not expand to do that, but you can slide to do it!

Why dont you sell your vacation back to the Company. Or if your seat doesnt allow it, just call them up. I am sure it would be a big help to them now with peak coming up and, with contract negotiations in progress, it would show goodwill from the pilots. :rolleyes: ;)

WARNING!!!
There are BIG differences between what you can do with vacation on a hard line vs. a reserve line. You asked about bidding vacation with a RESERVE line and people are giving you techniques that would only work with a hard line, so be careful!
For example, reserve line holders may not EXPAND their vacation, they may only EXTEND their vacation by the days calculated in that formula. If you have 7 days of vacation and you bid a RESERVE line, then you have a choice between 7 and 10 days of vacation. If you elect to EXTEND it to the maximum 10 days, then your bank will be docked 10 x 4:36 or about 46 hours. That is it! Since there are 15 R days in NOV, you would owe 5 R days. If you want to knock out more hours than that, you will need to bid a hard line, and then you would be able to use some of the techniques described above.
Try the search feature, this has been asked and answered many times before.

Actually, there were two questions:

Sluggo asking about a "reserve line" - http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...tml#post888127

&

LAG asking about a "hard line" - http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...tml#post888191

Your reminder of the search function is still valid though! ;)

Not so fast!!!

Boost is essentially correct for reserve lines. However, in November, the credit is 4:51/day (I am assuming you are a MD-11 FO, if not check your bidpack). When you use the formula, you have to Round Down. Let's assume you have 7 days of vacation. If your credit is over 4:48/day, you will only get to extend your vacation 2 days. Just go to bid period processing and see how many days you can extend....