UPS hiring FQS
#61
Any UPS "management" working here prior to 1997 is a SCAB. Labeled that way for LIFE. If there happens to be another strike and you are a "manager" then you will be required to SCAB or lose your job. Is this a job for the rest of your life? If it is, good luck. Seriously.
#62
Pilot7576, Thank you and I understand how you guys feel. Maybe in your next contract something can be done about this; of course they will want the pound of flesh in return. Just as a little different perspective, consider this. We have 80,000 Airline Transport Pilots in this country. I mean the ATP's who do this for a living. There are about 7,500 of the 80k that have been on the street for quite sometime. We are talking about +3 years. The 7,500 I am speaking about have some (what I consider) pretty strong credentials; +10,000 TT, +8,000 Narrow/Wide Body, +5,000 N/W Body PIC (add about 4k each to that for me). 7,500 sounds like a bunch of numbers but WE are not numbers. WE still require O2, food, water, heat, pressure (14.7psi preferred) to live. WE are your collegues, co-workers, some of us life long friends that people don't call anymore due to embarrassment or shame, because they might have to face the reality that this could have easily happened to them. WE are out of unemployment (or imminent), house in foreclosure (sold mine), lights/phone off every other month. WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings. This is a sad fact right now. Pilot7576, if you would, do me one favor, do this. The next time you hear someone say "I hate this F%$#ing Place!!!", take a deep breath, pause, and ask this person when they are calm; would they like to trade places with my friends or me? Pilot7576, Should our paths ever cross, I'll buy you a cup of coffee or adult beverage which ever the situation calls for. Our opinions are pretty much the same, just different life situations, that neither had any control of to begin with. Have a great flight, see ya around the campfire, L.
The IPA pilots truly understand the situation and sympathize with the whims of our industry. The irony to me is that you describe exactly the situation accurately, "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
So the irony? UPS placed 109 of our pilots on the street who feel exactly as you do who tell us themselves "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
We want them back making money for our shareholders, their families, and growing our business for all of our prosperity. UPS is more interested in not growing known profitable business because it is low yield profit. When you make the kind of money UPS makes, Atlanta can choose to be picky about which profitable business' to ply and discard those ventures whose profitable yields are to low. How nice for the beancounters.
So, unlike Fedex, Southern, Atlas, Polar, World, National, Evergreen, Kalitta and all, UPS shuns what they fly profitably. Means less jobs at UPS.
IPA offered the dollars to keep them on the property. UPS played Lucy and moved the football.
Then you have UPS management who wants to hire a handful of FQS' to be the replacement pilots for IPA pilots as super reserves. No one even argues anymore that they are managers. They are FAR only pilots.
Consider this: The FQS issue is unresolved. Worst case, new FQS may be on the street when resolved, in the IPA, or doing some non flying duty for the rest of their UPS career trying to climb a management ladder from a very low starting position outside your lane.
FedEX is getting ready to hire, chances are far better that one would get called and have a successful career at FedEx than as a FQS at UPS. Unless you have a strong management sponsor, would surmise chances are slim for an FQS position anyway.
I'll buy you a coffee or adult beverage too. We are on the same side of this really. If UPS pursued more business, they would be looking to hire you anyway (as a line pilot).
Wish you the best at FedEx and all.
#63
I am sorry that I have peed in the Cheerios, I didn't realize you guys struck in 97. I was flying pax from then until 04. I tried to keep up with the cargo industry. Was it a very short strike that didn't get alot of press? I stated when first inquiring about this situation (a few pages back) if their was a work action and I was there I would quit. There are no jobs for life.
The strike was short. If you run a google search for 97 UPS strike it will give you lots of info. It was a teamsters strike. Everyone was locked out including the pilots. Managers flew up to the FAR limits, then the strike was over.
UPS could be a fantastic job. Like Salty said they chose to place 109 people on the street, when there were alternatives to a furlough. BL came to Anchorage and almost seemed to boast that it was his responsibility for the furlough (he retired the next month, go figure??) This has had an impact on so many peoples lives. For what? There is no good reason.
I would SERIOUSLY look at FedEx WAY before I put in an FQS application at UPS. And I am one of the few that still thinks this is a VERY good job, but it could be a hell of a lot better!!!
#64
Check out this web site to see the level of arrogance. Some things never change.
Online NewsHour: UPS Strike-- August 19, 1997
Online NewsHour: UPS Strike-- August 19, 1997
#65
727574drv,
The IPA pilots truly understand the situation and sympathize with the whims of our industry. The irony to me is that you describe exactly the situation accurately, "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
So the irony? UPS placed 109 of our pilots on the street who feel exactly as you do who tell us themselves "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
We want them back making money for our shareholders, their families, and growing our business for all of our prosperity. UPS is more interested in not growing known profitable business because it is low yield profit. When you make the kind of money UPS makes, Atlanta can choose to be picky about which profitable business' to ply and discard those ventures whose profitable yields are to low. How nice for the beancounters.
So, unlike Fedex, Southern, Atlas, Polar, World, National, Evergreen, Kalitta and all, UPS shuns what they fly profitably. Means less jobs at UPS.
IPA offered the dollars to keep them on the property. UPS played Lucy and moved the football.
Then you have UPS management who wants to hire a handful of FQS' to be the replacement pilots for IPA pilots as super reserves. No one even argues anymore that they are managers. They are FAR only pilots.
Consider this: The FQS issue is unresolved. Worst case, new FQS may be on the street when resolved, in the IPA, or doing some non flying duty for the rest of their UPS career trying to climb a management ladder from a very low starting position outside your lane.
FedEX is getting ready to hire, chances are far better that one would get called and have a successful career at FedEx than as a FQS at UPS. Unless you have a strong management sponsor, would surmise chances are slim for an FQS position anyway.
I'll buy you a coffee or adult beverage too. We are on the same side of this really. If UPS pursued more business, they would be looking to hire you anyway (as a line pilot).
Wish you the best at FedEx and all.
The IPA pilots truly understand the situation and sympathize with the whims of our industry. The irony to me is that you describe exactly the situation accurately, "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
So the irony? UPS placed 109 of our pilots on the street who feel exactly as you do who tell us themselves "WE don't want sympathy: WE want to work to provide for our families. If nothing else, WE are not numbers, WE are fellow Human Beings."
We want them back making money for our shareholders, their families, and growing our business for all of our prosperity. UPS is more interested in not growing known profitable business because it is low yield profit. When you make the kind of money UPS makes, Atlanta can choose to be picky about which profitable business' to ply and discard those ventures whose profitable yields are to low. How nice for the beancounters.
So, unlike Fedex, Southern, Atlas, Polar, World, National, Evergreen, Kalitta and all, UPS shuns what they fly profitably. Means less jobs at UPS.
IPA offered the dollars to keep them on the property. UPS played Lucy and moved the football.
Then you have UPS management who wants to hire a handful of FQS' to be the replacement pilots for IPA pilots as super reserves. No one even argues anymore that they are managers. They are FAR only pilots.
Consider this: The FQS issue is unresolved. Worst case, new FQS may be on the street when resolved, in the IPA, or doing some non flying duty for the rest of their UPS career trying to climb a management ladder from a very low starting position outside your lane.
FedEX is getting ready to hire, chances are far better that one would get called and have a successful career at FedEx than as a FQS at UPS. Unless you have a strong management sponsor, would surmise chances are slim for an FQS position anyway.
I'll buy you a coffee or adult beverage too. We are on the same side of this really. If UPS pursued more business, they would be looking to hire you anyway (as a line pilot).
Wish you the best at FedEx and all.
Last edited by 727574drvr; 02-06-2011 at 07:41 PM. Reason: Sentence Fragment, Spelling, Fatigue!!!
#66
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
Probably not as old as you, but the guys sitting to my left that used to work at Emory sure complain a lot about getting left in the cold.
From their description of circumstances, Emory was bought by UPS and shut down. They were not offered positions at Brown. If I am off base on this, please let me know. The captians I fly with are never prone to exaggeration
I guess my point was, that while many years removed from what you are going through now, Emory pilots faced all the same struggles and uncertainties that go along with unemployment. In speaking with the 3 former Emory guys I know, they thought they might have had a shot at a job at UPS following what happened between the two companies (again, my history is a little fuzzy, so correct me if I am wrong). For whatever reason, they did not get that opportunity, and ended up on the street.
From their description of circumstances, Emory was bought by UPS and shut down. They were not offered positions at Brown. If I am off base on this, please let me know. The captians I fly with are never prone to exaggeration
I guess my point was, that while many years removed from what you are going through now, Emory pilots faced all the same struggles and uncertainties that go along with unemployment. In speaking with the 3 former Emory guys I know, they thought they might have had a shot at a job at UPS following what happened between the two companies (again, my history is a little fuzzy, so correct me if I am wrong). For whatever reason, they did not get that opportunity, and ended up on the street.
#67
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,235
I am sorry that I have peed in the Cheerios, I didn't realize you guys struck in 97. I was flying pax from then until 04. I tried to keep up with the cargo industry. Was it a very short strike that didn't get alot of press? I stated when first inquiring about this situation (a few pages back) if their was a work action and I was there I would quit. There are no jobs for life.
Call them what you like.
By the way the strike lasted two weeks and was national news 24/7
Rocco
UPS claimed they locked everyone out after all of the pilots honored the picket. Some Teamsters, very few, crossed. UPS likes to revise history.
#68
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 254
i have to agree salty sounds like he has it nailed. Yes it sucks guys are on the street and they are hiring FAR pilots in the guise as managers. Unfortunately the IPA and I guess membership(who voted the last contract in) missed the management loophole???? don't see that it was missed but perhaps more like rolling the dice and not bothering to fight for it after the nice payscale they gave you(it is a very nice payscale) Now guys are throwing the word scab around and to be quite honest, i don't see it. Maybe close the loophole, disallow so many manager pilots and then there will be no issue.
#69
Probably not as old as you, but the guys sitting to my left that used to work at Emory sure complain a lot about getting left in the cold.
From their description of circumstances, Emory was bought by UPS and shut down. They were not offered positions at Brown. If I am off base on this, please let me know. The captians I fly with are never prone to exaggeration
I guess my point was, that while many years removed from what you are going through now, Emory pilots faced all the same struggles and uncertainties that go along with unemployment. In speaking with the 3 former Emory guys I know, they thought they might have had a shot at a job at UPS following what happened between the two companies (again, my history is a little fuzzy, so correct me if I am wrong). For whatever reason, they did not get that opportunity, and ended up on the street.
From their description of circumstances, Emory was bought by UPS and shut down. They were not offered positions at Brown. If I am off base on this, please let me know. The captians I fly with are never prone to exaggeration
I guess my point was, that while many years removed from what you are going through now, Emory pilots faced all the same struggles and uncertainties that go along with unemployment. In speaking with the 3 former Emory guys I know, they thought they might have had a shot at a job at UPS following what happened between the two companies (again, my history is a little fuzzy, so correct me if I am wrong). For whatever reason, they did not get that opportunity, and ended up on the street.
Emery Worldwide Airlines, however, was shut down several years prior to UPS purchasing Menlo (it was all contractors). EWW had a couple of unfortunate accidents, maintenance issues, and issues with OSHA (couple people ran over by forklifts, etc.). Emery even locked OSHA out until they came back with US Marshalls. I'm sure that went a long way with the government.
#70
Since UPS didn't buy Emory college, I don't think those guys had a chance.
Emery Worldwide Airlines, however, was shut down several years prior to UPS purchasing Menlo (it was all contractors). EWW had a couple of unfortunate accidents, maintenance issues, and issues with OSHA (couple people ran over by forklifts, etc.). Emery even locked OSHA out until they came back with US Marshalls. I'm sure that went a long way with the government.
Emery Worldwide Airlines, however, was shut down several years prior to UPS purchasing Menlo (it was all contractors). EWW had a couple of unfortunate accidents, maintenance issues, and issues with OSHA (couple people ran over by forklifts, etc.). Emery even locked OSHA out until they came back with US Marshalls. I'm sure that went a long way with the government.
Last edited by 727574drvr; 02-07-2011 at 10:40 PM. Reason: Grammatical error
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