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TheBaron 02-23-2011 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 952667)
Yes all of your post have been so civil I wonder why anyone dare oppose you. But feel free to dismiss the angry 12 or 20 since you are from the loyal majority.

PS the MEC admits the CGN loa is a bargaining chip why cant you?

Really? Maybe you haven't read the latest update (11-03):

7. Bottom line, we feel there is no more leverage in the FDA, especially when options exist to do business otherwise. We are not fear mongers, just the facts as we see them. Will FedEx use those options if this LOA is not approved? We can’t answer that. We are positive though, that our Company will continue to do business in effort to improve the shareholders’ returns.

FXDX 02-23-2011 04:17 AM

Man, that is a big question. Here I was thinking it was just can I change my vote?!? :D

FDXLAG 02-23-2011 04:17 AM

Perhaps I just read between the lines where they said if this goes down they will just open it anyways and use SIBA for the FOs. Silly me that is not leverage.

ptarmigan 02-23-2011 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 952667)
Yes all of your post have been so civil I wonder why anyone dare oppose you. But feel free to dismiss the angry 12 or 20 since you are from the loyal majority.

PS the MEC admits the CGN loa is a bargaining chip why cant you?

Second part has been answered. First part, I never "dismissed" anyone, just, as I said in another post, pointed out that there is a risk of a false sense of unity on this forum.

ptarmigan 02-23-2011 04:28 AM

All of this is a great example of this:

How facts backfire - The Boston Globe

FDXLAG 02-23-2011 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by ptarmigan (Post 952682)
Second part has been answered. First part, I never "dismissed" anyone, just, as I said in another post, pointed out that there is a risk of a false sense of unity on this forum.

That is true just because it would cost fdx more pilots and more money to open an FDA without a new LOA it should not be considered leverage. Because um help me out here....

ptarmigan 02-23-2011 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 952711)
That is true just because it would cost fdx more pilots and more money to open an FDA without a new LOA it should not be considered leverage. Because um help me out here....

Sorry, I should have finished my thought. I think it would cost a little more, but not a significant amount, particularly when balanced with other aspects in this TA. Not enough difference to constitute leverage of any significance.

MaxKts 02-23-2011 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by ptarmigan (Post 952717)
Sorry, I should have finished my thought. I think it would cost a little more, but not a significant amount, particularly when balanced with other aspects in this TA. Not enough difference to constitute leverage of any significance.

So - it's leverage just not significant leverage?

FDXLAG 02-23-2011 05:26 AM


Originally Posted by ptarmigan (Post 952717)
Sorry, I should have finished my thought. I think it would cost a little more, but not a significant amount, particularly when balanced with other aspects in this TA. Not enough difference to constitute leverage of any significance.

But in another thread you worry that the cost could reach the point where they hire the Irish pilots to take our place, right.

Opposing View 02-23-2011 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by ptarmigan (Post 952682)
Second part has been answered. First part, I never "dismissed" anyone, just, as I said in another post, pointed out that there is a risk of a false sense of unity on this forum.

It has been answered, but is the answer correct? That is the big question. I would have to say that it is an incorrect answer.

Supposedly on the last FDA LOA our NC didnt think there was leverage. I believe they were dead wrong. Even though we have a new group negotiating, the same mistake can be made again.

I would submit that even if we do have leverage, the company could possibly tell us to take a hike anyway. A control thing. I could be wrong, but it is not out of the realm of reality. If that is the case, so be it. Ones vote should be principled, tempered with reality. I would go with the principled angle until reality has proven to be a sure thing.


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