Originally Posted by Busboy

So...What exactly are your concerns, if we vote this down?

Originally Posted by ptarmigan

Have you watched the news lately? With the situation happening in Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, etc., what do you think will happen to oil prices?

If oil goes up, what do you think will happen to the economy?

If the economy goes south, will we have a new president? What party would you guess would win it?

We vote it down and does anyone think that we will have a contract before all of this? Is that a good environment to negotiate?

Would you rather be in that situation with the current deal or the TA?

These are all unknowns that we need to consider. Forget the anger and emotions. This is just business.

Originally Posted by Busboy

I would rather be under our current CBA. If the company opens the new FDAs...We will need less pilots. That means we would be even more "overstaffed".

But regardless, you're dealing with too many "what ifs", in my opinion.

Originally Posted by ptarmigan

That difference is not large, because if the economy heads south they may not need to do anything for the FDA's, just start moving it on belly freight again.

As for how many "what if's", let us just start with the first one. Take a look at the international news and what is happening in a number of oil producing countries.

Just one question: What will the impact of these revolts on the price of oil?

This should not be too hard to predict.

Originally Posted by gcsass

P9,

I don't think most people believe that the company MUST have the FDA LOA to operate. I think most people believe that the company really wants the FDA LOA. The Company has said that domestic growth is flat and that international is where it is at. They came to us about the original FDA, they ran and subsequently cancelled one (or was it two??) bids for CDG. If they really want to grow internationally does it make sense to do it via SIBA? More planes, more people, more destinations and very limited productivity due to the nature of SIBA.

I am fully in favor of giving them the tools they need to grow the company. I want to see a giant domicile in CGN or CDG. I also want to see our entire crew force taken care of in this LOA/Bridge/TA. My question is how were we able to negotiate so many minor things the company wanted (extended probation, new FDA stuff, the ability to remove someone from that FDA at a certain time limit) while we couldn't get around to fixing 4A2B entry language, accepted fares, 3% raises until we have a new full contract and many more things like that. Could we not have waited another month or 2 to work those things out? And why do we get penalized if we re-open negotiations?

I personally don't think any of the things most guys want to see fixed will drive the company away from the table or cause them to balk at the FDA's. We are not asking for crazy money or anything totally unreasonable. Just clean house a little and put some lipstick on this thing. Then we can go forward and await the NPRM FTDT law and see what we need to work on next. Just my opinion, but what do I know??

Originally Posted by Busboy

OK. I'll bite. Short term? Oil prices rise. Long term? Who knows? Maybe they will go down.

But, I see nothing in the TA makes me think we would be in a better position to bargain under your worst case scenarios. The TA certainly doesn't fix 4A2b!

I would prefer a TA that fixes 4A2b, in a way that protects "all" the FDX pilots. And, distributes the pain equally. Then, I would feel better about bargaining in your scenario.

Originally Posted by ptarmigan

Don't want to confuse the issue with facts, these folks minds are made up!

Originally Posted by FDXLAG

So then what is the reason for moving people out before 5 years? Fdx just likes to get fresh blood in? Should the NC be able to tell us? Wonder why they havent.