Not quite LAG, I could and do say the same as you, my opinion is in line with the majority of those expressed by the decision makers. I still make my own choice, do not be coy and think you can jab me.

We all have skin in the game, and equally one vote. May we all make, informed and rationale decisions. More importantly, come out the other side acting like a group that wants a complete TA. If the no voters "win" then I hope some of you, in that camp, step up into leadership positions (NOT APC BTW, doesn't count) and rally the troops cause it will need to happen yesterday.

I am happy to support either outcome, we have no choice.:)

It really wasnt a jab, just trying to point out we should all make our choices based on what we decide is the correct decision. The 13-1 yes votes on the 1st LOA didnt make it right. I get the impresion no one will resign if this fails. Not sure why anyone would have to take their place but I am sure someone would step up if required, as Charles De Gaulle said "the graveyards are filled with indespensible men."

Why do you consider a No vote to be against the Union and not the company?

While I don't agree with some key opinions in TC's narrative, I still have respect for writer the some of the well researched reasons and think it is a great read. All can get something useful out of it.

Both sides are being equally "sold". Why even argue about that? Passionately people naturally want you to like what they think is great.

I encourage you to ask, "What is in it for those who beat the No/Yes drum I'm hearing today?" Decide for yourself the intent and accuracy of these commentators.

I hope we are all successful in achieving total TA enlightenment.

Wow --- history has certainly proved this to be true.

But, I guess we finally got closer to the FDA benefits we deserve ---- 3.5 years later.

TC for post of the year!!!

And the summary is worth repeating:

My decision then, while weighty, was very simple. In my opinion, there is not enough value to the package before us to risk the attainment of the ultimate goal. The risk of delaying the “real” CBA and diminishing its value is not outweighed, in my opinion, by the reward it represents. For that reason, I recommended that we reject the TA, and to direct the Negotiating Committee to immediately engage in negotiations to implement the safety programs—ASAP, FOQA, and Data Collection—as standalone MOUs and LOA, and to then get back to the work of negotiating our CBA.

Do you guys realize TC sold the first LOA? C'mon.

History repeating itself? More like a leopard changing his spots if you think his no vote is about the quality of this FDA LOA.

Which, BTW, I don't.

And I would hope the other 68% of the membership who voted "Yes" on the first FDA LOA would vote "No" on this one.

If that happened ---- why would I complain or hold it against them?

It's ok to learn from past mistakes.

Just like practicing EPs in the sim.

The IP resets everything and states: New day - New jet - let's move on to the next Emerg Procedure.

We do it as pilots all the time.

Perhaps that is the case. But I've personally spoken to TC and he doesn't give me that impression.

Some folks just don't like to admit error even when they should own up. Even when they have changed. Maybe he has turned the corner and seen the light. His narrative indicates a direction different from his record.

What we must always demand from our leadership is transparency.

This opening paragraph deeply concerns me.

I submitted the following Block 5 Update according to the protocol, and I have incorporated many of the recommended changes. I am appreciative of the time and effort which was dedicated to improving the final draft. However, the MEC Vice Chairman has refused to publish this via our normal venues of communication, i.e., through e-mail and on the FDX ALPA website. While I do not expect him to share my opinions, I do not believe there is anything in this update which is factually incorrect. Having reached an impasse, and being entitled to communicate freely with you, I must regretfully resort to communicating to you without his blessing. I have tried to work within the protocol, but I will not be silenced, nor will I compromise my message to you.

I don't care what side of this TA you fall on, you cannot accept the MEC denying a Block Rep access to normal venues of communication.

Foul!!!! :mad::mad::mad: