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03-03-2011, 07:02 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
His opinion doesnt override the NC, Officers and majority of the MEC but it but it is line with mine and since I am talking about my vote mine is the only one that counts. Yours should be the only one that counts for your vote but it sounds like you let others decide for you.
We all have skin in the game, and equally one vote. May we all make, informed and rationale decisions. More importantly, come out the other side acting like a group that wants a complete TA. If the no voters "win" then I hope some of you, in that camp, step up into leadership positions (NOT APC BTW, doesn't count) and rally the troops cause it will need to happen yesterday.
I am happy to support either outcome, we have no choice.
03-03-2011, 07:18 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by 4A2B
Not quite LAG, I could and do say the same as you, my opinion is in line with the majority of those expressed by the decision makers. I still make my own choice, do not be coy and think you can jab me.
We all have skin in the game, and equally one vote. May we all make, informed and rationale decisions. More importantly, come out the other side acting like a group that wants a complete TA. If the no voters "win" then I hope some of you, in that camp, step up into leadership positions (NOT APC BTW, doesn't count) and rally the troops cause it will need to happen yesterday.
I am happy to support either outcome, we have no choice.
We all have skin in the game, and equally one vote. May we all make, informed and rationale decisions. More importantly, come out the other side acting like a group that wants a complete TA. If the no voters "win" then I hope some of you, in that camp, step up into leadership positions (NOT APC BTW, doesn't count) and rally the troops cause it will need to happen yesterday.
I am happy to support either outcome, we have no choice.
03-03-2011, 07:21 PM
#23
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Posts: 489
Originally Posted by 4A2B
If the no voters "win" then I hope some of you, in that camp, step up into leadership positions (NOT APC BTW, doesn't count) and rally the troops cause it will need to happen yesterday.
03-03-2011, 07:24 PM
#24
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While I don't agree with some key opinions in TC's narrative, I still have respect for writer the some of the well researched reasons and think it is a great read. All can get something useful out of it.
Both sides are being equally "sold". Why even argue about that? Passionately people naturally want you to like what they think is great.
I encourage you to ask, "What is in it for those who beat the No/Yes drum I'm hearing today?" Decide for yourself the intent and accuracy of these commentators.
I hope we are all successful in achieving total TA enlightenment.
Both sides are being equally "sold". Why even argue about that? Passionately people naturally want you to like what they think is great.
I encourage you to ask, "What is in it for those who beat the No/Yes drum I'm hearing today?" Decide for yourself the intent and accuracy of these commentators.
I hope we are all successful in achieving total TA enlightenment.
03-03-2011, 07:25 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Gear Monkey
Posts: 3,191
Originally Posted by FDXLAG
...The 13-1 yes votes on the 1st LOA didnt make it right....
But, I guess we finally got closer to the FDA benefits we deserve ---- 3.5 years later.
03-03-2011, 07:27 PM
#26
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TC for post of the year!!!
And the summary is worth repeating:
My decision then, while weighty, was very simple. In my opinion, there is not enough value to the package before us to risk the attainment of the ultimate goal. The risk of delaying the “real” CBA and diminishing its value is not outweighed, in my opinion, by the reward it represents. For that reason, I recommended that we reject the TA, and to direct the Negotiating Committee to immediately engage in negotiations to implement the safety programs—ASAP, FOQA, and Data Collection—as standalone MOUs and LOA, and to then get back to the work of negotiating our CBA.
And the summary is worth repeating:
My decision then, while weighty, was very simple. In my opinion, there is not enough value to the package before us to risk the attainment of the ultimate goal. The risk of delaying the “real” CBA and diminishing its value is not outweighed, in my opinion, by the reward it represents. For that reason, I recommended that we reject the TA, and to direct the Negotiating Committee to immediately engage in negotiations to implement the safety programs—ASAP, FOQA, and Data Collection—as standalone MOUs and LOA, and to then get back to the work of negotiating our CBA.
03-03-2011, 07:33 PM
#28
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Position: Gear Monkey
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Originally Posted by Gunter
Do you guys realize TC sold the first LOA? C'mon.
History repeating itself? More like a leopard changing his spots.
History repeating itself? More like a leopard changing his spots.
And I would hope the other 68% of the membership who voted "Yes" on the first FDA LOA would vote "No" on this one.
If that happened ---- why would I complain or hold it against them?
It's ok to learn from past mistakes.
Just like practicing EPs in the sim.
The IP resets everything and states: New day - New jet - let's move on to the next Emerg Procedure.
We do it as pilots all the time.
03-03-2011, 07:35 PM
#29
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Perhaps that is the case. But I've personally spoken to TC and he doesn't give me that impression.
Some folks just don't like to admit error even when they should own up. Even when they have changed. Maybe he has turned the corner and seen the light. His narrative indicates a direction different from his record.
Some folks just don't like to admit error even when they should own up. Even when they have changed. Maybe he has turned the corner and seen the light. His narrative indicates a direction different from his record.
03-03-2011, 07:37 PM
#30
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What we must always demand from our leadership is transparency.
This opening paragraph deeply concerns me.
I submitted the following Block 5 Update according to the protocol, and I have incorporated many of the recommended changes. I am appreciative of the time and effort which was dedicated to improving the final draft. However, the MEC Vice Chairman has refused to publish this via our normal venues of communication, i.e., through e-mail and on the FDX ALPA website. While I do not expect him to share my opinions, I do not believe there is anything in this update which is factually incorrect. Having reached an impasse, and being entitled to communicate freely with you, I must regretfully resort to communicating to you without his blessing. I have tried to work within the protocol, but I will not be silenced, nor will I compromise my message to you.
I don't care what side of this TA you fall on, you cannot accept the MEC denying a Block Rep access to normal venues of communication.
Foul!!!!
This opening paragraph deeply concerns me.
I submitted the following Block 5 Update according to the protocol, and I have incorporated many of the recommended changes. I am appreciative of the time and effort which was dedicated to improving the final draft. However, the MEC Vice Chairman has refused to publish this via our normal venues of communication, i.e., through e-mail and on the FDX ALPA website. While I do not expect him to share my opinions, I do not believe there is anything in this update which is factually incorrect. Having reached an impasse, and being entitled to communicate freely with you, I must regretfully resort to communicating to you without his blessing. I have tried to work within the protocol, but I will not be silenced, nor will I compromise my message to you.
I don't care what side of this TA you fall on, you cannot accept the MEC denying a Block Rep access to normal venues of communication.
Foul!!!!
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