FDX TA-Issues surrounding grievance 10-02
03-10-2011, 06:29 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
You'll probably understand when you upgrade to captain, before then, well it's sort of like a pig watching the super bowl, interesting, but hard to make heads or tails out of it. The issue is that when you're the captain, unless you're something really special (which most of us aren't), and you've been awarded a line of flying, you take offense at someone showing up in the middle of your pairing, and taking command of "your" flight and flight crew. It makes it even worse when you've been on a pairing for a few days and then, all of a sudden, here comes this senior guy, who just first-classed across the pond, to "fly your jet", for the next leg or two, then leave you and first-class either back home, or onto the next trip, where he will do the same thing to another hapless crew.
As for your Major friend, back at your old Guard unit, the guy was not only an under-achiever, but also someone without the drive to be all that he could be. Obviously someone I'd prefer not to fly with on my wing. Besides your story is opposite of the reality here, because there, he had elected to remain a wingman only, while here, it's a senior guy, who could have bid that line of flying, but for some reason, decided to not, and then he gets his choice of good deals, while cutting the junior captain out of flying the trip that he was able to hold. Sucks.
JJ
As for your Major friend, back at your old Guard unit, the guy was not only an under-achiever, but also someone without the drive to be all that he could be. Obviously someone I'd prefer not to fly with on my wing. Besides your story is opposite of the reality here, because there, he had elected to remain a wingman only, while here, it's a senior guy, who could have bid that line of flying, but for some reason, decided to not, and then he gets his choice of good deals, while cutting the junior captain out of flying the trip that he was able to hold. Sucks.
JJ
03-10-2011, 06:44 PM
#34
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I am reading this in disbelief. You guys don't seem to get it. The senior pilots don't have a problem with someone else flying as PIC. I personally fly as Captain as RFO all the time. You can't get much senior than me. That is not the problem. The CBA, and the FOM say that it is the Senior Captains jet. The Senior Captain will be the PIC. Its always been that way at FedEx. I have included a copy of exact contract language. Senior Captain is right there with your standing bid, monthly bid, vacation bid. Are you sure that you want to allow a change to this. Seniority for your monthly bid might be the next thing to be changed. Here it is. Read it for yourselves:
SECTION 22
SENIORITY
22.B.2
Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, seniority shall govern all pilots in cases of vacancy posting awards, bid period schedule awards, vacation awards, ITU training schedules pursuant to Section 24, designation of the Pilot-in-Command/ Captain of record on double crewed flight segments, and retention in case of reduction in force and recall pursuant to Section 23.
The pilot group fought hard to have this included in the contract.
SECTION 22
SENIORITY
22.B.2
Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, seniority shall govern all pilots in cases of vacancy posting awards, bid period schedule awards, vacation awards, ITU training schedules pursuant to Section 24, designation of the Pilot-in-Command/ Captain of record on double crewed flight segments, and retention in case of reduction in force and recall pursuant to Section 23.
The pilot group fought hard to have this included in the contract.
03-10-2011, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by thebigdawg
I am reading this in disbelief. You guys don't seem to get it. The senior pilots don't have a problem with someone else flying as PIC. I personally fly as Captain as RFO all the time. You can't get much senior than me. That is not the problem. The CBA, and the FOM say that it is the Senior Captains jet. The Senior Captain will be the PIC. Its always been that way at FedEx. I have included a copy of exact contract language. Senior Captain is right there with your standing bid, monthly bid, vacation bid. Are you sure that you want to allow a change to this. Seniority for your monthly bid might be the next thing to be changed. Here it is. Read it for yourselves:
SECTION 22
SENIORITY
22.B.2
Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, seniority shall govern all pilots in cases of vacancy posting awards, bid period schedule awards, vacation awards, ITU training schedules pursuant to Section 24, designation of the Pilot-in-Command/ Captain of record on double crewed flight segments, and retention in case of reduction in force and recall pursuant to Section 23.
The pilot group fought hard to have this included in the contract.
SECTION 22
SENIORITY
22.B.2
Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, seniority shall govern all pilots in cases of vacancy posting awards, bid period schedule awards, vacation awards, ITU training schedules pursuant to Section 24, designation of the Pilot-in-Command/ Captain of record on double crewed flight segments, and retention in case of reduction in force and recall pursuant to Section 23.
The pilot group fought hard to have this included in the contract.
03-10-2011, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thebigdawg
The pilot group fought hard to have this included in the contract.
Heck, I would be happy if the pilot that had the primary pairing stayed PIC even if junior, if they would change the trip trade system from time stamp to seniority. The way ALL airline contracts are, with FDX being the exception.
03-10-2011, 07:23 PM
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You need to check your facts. The senior captain has been PIC on dac for over 10 years. JL tried to change it but ALPA read JL the contract. Who really cares who's the pic anyway. The point is that whether you like the policy or not the union has aborgated seniority in the settlement of 10-02. We all should care about that.
03-10-2011, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by thebigdawg
You need to check your facts. The senior captain has been PIC on dac for over 10 years. JL tried to change it but ALPA read JL the contract. Who really cares who's the pic anyway. The point is that whether you like the policy or not the union has aborgated seniority in the settlement of 10-02. We all should care about that.
03-11-2011, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
I'm a single seat fighter fighter guy and take offense at that statement. I agree 100% that you bid the RFO line then you stay the food *itch! You bid the flying line then you sign for the jet. Seniority gets you the line, not the jet.
Some people just can't get over themselves and it is not because they flew fighters.
Some people just can't get over themselves and it is not because they flew fighters.
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