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1- With the apparent ongoing effort to raise the mandatory retirement age, is our new contract tied to age 60 or can it be effected by future changes to the FAR's?

2- How in the world did the NC get talked into putting so many economic portions of the new contract off for as much as as one year? It seems to me that, yet again, we're being told that we're going to pay for a good portion of any improvements that we got.

[QUOTE=MD11Fr8Dog;59717]b. Anchor Zone Requirements

An Anchor Zone is an 8 hour period of time, scheduled free from duty, that is common throughout a specified sequence of layovers.

ii. By providing a layover of 18 hours or greater, an anchor zone may be reset. If the anchor zone is reset, then for the purposes of the anchor zone concept, the remainder of the trip following the reset anchor zone is considered to be a separate trip. An anchor zone is not reset merely due to the existence of a layover of 18 hours or greater; an anchor zone is only considered reset if the anchor zone after the 18 hour layover does not share a common 8 hours with the anchor zone prior to the 18 hour layover.

So what exactly do this mean?? and whats the point?

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 59723)

So what exactly do this mean?? and whats the point?

I think its just saying the new anchor zone carries through the rest of the way, I guess until reset by anotehr 18 hr layover! Remember, its just a seperate trip for anchor purposes! Anyway, that's how I interpret it.

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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 59717)

b. Anchor Zone Requirements

An Anchor Zone is an 8 hour period of time, scheduled free from duty, that is common throughout a specified sequence of layovers. An anchor zone is required if a pilot’s planned trip, or series of trips involves operation in the critical period. The following shall apply to trips requiring an anchor zone:

i. The Anchor Zone shall be established based on the layover immediately preceding the first operation in the critical period and shall apply going forward only. If the first duty period in a trip or series of trips involves operation in the critical period, then the anchor zone is established based on the layover following such first operation in the critical period.

ii. By providing a layover of 18 hours or greater, an anchor zone may be reset. If the anchor zone is reset, then for the purposes of the anchor zone concept, the remainder of the trip following the reset anchor zone is considered to be a separate trip. An anchor zone is not reset merely due to the existence of a layover of 18 hours or greater; an anchor zone is only considered reset if the anchor zone after the 18 hour layover does not share a common 8 hours with the anchor zone prior to the 18 hour layover.

iii. An anchor zone may not be reset more than once during any trip or series of trips.

iv. An anchor zone is not required in a layover preceding a deadheadonly duty period that concludes a trip.

v. An anchor zone is not required on a standby trip.

yea, but can you explain that?

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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 59724)

My Point is after one 18 "layover" the Anchor zone is reset and it "Becomes a new Trip". So what does becoming a new trip (In the middle of a trip) MEAN?

Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me..............I want the NC to explain this one!!

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Originally Posted by Overnitefr8 (Post 59727)

yea, but can you explain that?

i. The Anchor Zone shall be established based on the layover immediately preceding the first operation in the critical period and shall apply going forward only. If the first duty period in a trip or series of trips involves operation in the critical period, then the anchor zone is established based on the layover following such first operation in the critical period.

Another concern. I have yet to find where there is a "critical period" in an International trip. In our current contract INTL has no critical period. So unless I am mistaken, this won't apply to an INTL pairing which is where the circadian disruptions are the worst!!

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 59729)

Its only a separate trip for the purposes of the anchor zone concept! So, like I said, the reset anchor zone carries forward from that point, as if on a new trip! That's how I read it!

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Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog (Post 59732)

Its only a separate trip for the purposes of the anchor zone concept! So, like I said, the reset anchor zone carries forward from that point, as if on a new trip! That's how I read it!

See my previuous post about Critical Period.If it is true this won't even apply to INTL trips. which was the whole intent.

Reserve assignment as simulator support pilot?
In section 11 (Training) the paragraph for simulator support pilots has been scratched out. It used to require VP permission to use RSV pilots in the simulator. Does this mean any RSV pilot can now be assigned to a sim session?

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 59731)

Seems an Anchor Zone only applies when a trip, or series of trips, operates in the critical period: "An anchor zone is required if a pilot’s planned trip, or series of trips involves operation in the critical period."

And doesn't kick in until a trip operates in a critical duty period: "The Anchor Zone shall be established based on the layover immediately preceding the first operation in the critical period and shall apply going forward only."