Southern Air Contract ???
09-11-2006, 06:08 PM
#1
New Hire
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 1
Southern Air Contract ???
Anybody have info on Southern. Read from an earlier post that the pilots were voting on a new contract for better work rules. Did it pass?? How many days off per month? How are the hotels that they put you up in?? How many flight hours per month(on average) while on reserve and as a line holder? Does the training department do a good job?? How are the check airmen?? Sorry for all the questions. Look forward to the answers.
Thanks
Thanks
09-13-2006, 12:42 AM
#3
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 188
I read their contract.....the big red flag for me was "ten days off in a 30 day period with the company giving you one 5 day block a month"...it sounded as if the days they fly you to work are included in these 10....correct me if Im wrong. But the way I read things is they have you fly all around the world and you see home for only a few days a month.
09-14-2006, 10:17 PM
#4
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: B747 CA
Posts: 86
Well Normy it has been a while since you worked for Southern. We have had flying lines for two years.
Please read the thread mentioned above for some of the things we got with the new contract.
I do not know where spitfire got his quote but it is wrong. The contract reads
"The Company will construct bid lines with a minimum of 10 scheduled days off in 30-day months and 11 days scheduled off in 31-day months, five days of which will be consecutive". Your days off are only days off if you are at home. Days you do not work while on the road do not count. With the home basing which we have, they put as many days off together as they can so they do not have to pay as much for travel to and from work.
With the new 3.5 hour per day duty rig if you are out the full 20 days you will get 70 hours of pay.
Please read the thread mentioned above for some of the things we got with the new contract.
I do not know where spitfire got his quote but it is wrong. The contract reads
"The Company will construct bid lines with a minimum of 10 scheduled days off in 30-day months and 11 days scheduled off in 31-day months, five days of which will be consecutive". Your days off are only days off if you are at home. Days you do not work while on the road do not count. With the home basing which we have, they put as many days off together as they can so they do not have to pay as much for travel to and from work.
With the new 3.5 hour per day duty rig if you are out the full 20 days you will get 70 hours of pay.
10-08-2006, 05:19 AM
#6
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: 747 Cap
Posts: 96
SOUTHERN AIR INC.
117 Glover Avenue
Norwalk, CT 06850
Phone: 203/847-6000 Fax: 203/847-9612
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
SOUTHERN AIR’S EXPANSION CONTINUES
Company Adds Seventh and Eighth Freighters
NORWALK, CT (September 29, 2006) – Southern Air Inc., the fastest growing all cargo
airline in the world, announced today that it had completed the purchase of its seventh
and eighth B747-200 freighter aircraft. The two aircraft are expected to be used in the
commercial charter market and to support and grow the Company’s core wet-leasing
business.
“The acquisition of our seventh and eighth B747-200 freighter aircraft, along with the
support of our highly experienced and dedicated employees around the world, will
greatly augment our already excellent service offering to our customers and will solidify
Southern’s position as the leading low-cost, high quality ACMI carrier in the world,” said
Jim Neff, Southern’s CEO.
The purchase of the two aircraft, both of which were internally financed, marks the third
and fourth B747-200F aircraft purchased in 2006 by Southern, and the second and third
purchased in September alone. The company will be adding its ninth aircraft in
December and has plans for additional capacity expansion in 2007 in response to growing
customer demand for its services.
Founded in 1999, Southern Air is a low-cost, high quality cargo carrier specializing in the
provision of aircraft, crew, maintenance, and insurance (“ACMI”) services to major
international cargo airlines through its fleet of eight GE-powered B747 heavyweight
freighter aircraft.
117 Glover Avenue
Norwalk, CT 06850
Phone: 203/847-6000 Fax: 203/847-9612
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
SOUTHERN AIR’S EXPANSION CONTINUES
Company Adds Seventh and Eighth Freighters
NORWALK, CT (September 29, 2006) – Southern Air Inc., the fastest growing all cargo
airline in the world, announced today that it had completed the purchase of its seventh
and eighth B747-200 freighter aircraft. The two aircraft are expected to be used in the
commercial charter market and to support and grow the Company’s core wet-leasing
business.
“The acquisition of our seventh and eighth B747-200 freighter aircraft, along with the
support of our highly experienced and dedicated employees around the world, will
greatly augment our already excellent service offering to our customers and will solidify
Southern’s position as the leading low-cost, high quality ACMI carrier in the world,” said
Jim Neff, Southern’s CEO.
The purchase of the two aircraft, both of which were internally financed, marks the third
and fourth B747-200F aircraft purchased in 2006 by Southern, and the second and third
purchased in September alone. The company will be adding its ninth aircraft in
December and has plans for additional capacity expansion in 2007 in response to growing
customer demand for its services.
Founded in 1999, Southern Air is a low-cost, high quality cargo carrier specializing in the
provision of aircraft, crew, maintenance, and insurance (“ACMI”) services to major
international cargo airlines through its fleet of eight GE-powered B747 heavyweight
freighter aircraft.
10-10-2006, 10:55 AM
#9
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 188
Quote from 18 wheeler.
" I do not know where spitfire got his quote but it is wrong."
I Have a copy of that contract
Section 6 Paragraph D1 states " The company will make every reasonable effort to protect a crewmembers guaranteed days off"
This is followed by paragraph D2 " If a crewmember is required to perform duty on a guaranteed day off which causes the cremember fewer than 10 days of in a 30 day month....."
Where are the "Guaranteed days off. I worked for one company "Mesa" that has things in the contract such as the above "reasonable effort" or "to the best of the companies ability" and this makes the word "guarantee": worthless. Once there is a loophole like that in a section of a contract you might as well delete that section because it is worthless. The way the Southern Air contract reads if push comes to shove and there are no available crews or you have MX and are stuck somewhere the company can work you as long as they want and not replace the days off. If I am wrong please lead me to a section that clears this up.
I do have one question for you 18 wheeler i was curious about. Is there a shotage of IOE Captains there? In another section I read that they got a whopping $5.00 an hour override to conduct IOE.
" I do not know where spitfire got his quote but it is wrong."
I Have a copy of that contract
Section 6 Paragraph D1 states " The company will make every reasonable effort to protect a crewmembers guaranteed days off"
This is followed by paragraph D2 " If a crewmember is required to perform duty on a guaranteed day off which causes the cremember fewer than 10 days of in a 30 day month....."
Where are the "Guaranteed days off. I worked for one company "Mesa" that has things in the contract such as the above "reasonable effort" or "to the best of the companies ability" and this makes the word "guarantee": worthless. Once there is a loophole like that in a section of a contract you might as well delete that section because it is worthless. The way the Southern Air contract reads if push comes to shove and there are no available crews or you have MX and are stuck somewhere the company can work you as long as they want and not replace the days off. If I am wrong please lead me to a section that clears this up.
I do have one question for you 18 wheeler i was curious about. Is there a shotage of IOE Captains there? In another section I read that they got a whopping $5.00 an hour override to conduct IOE.
Last edited by spitfire1500; 10-10-2006 at 11:02 AM.
10-10-2006, 01:54 PM
#10
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: B747 CA
Posts: 86
Originally Posted by spitfire1500
Quote from 18 wheeler.
" I do not know where spitfire got his quote but it is wrong."
I Have a copy of that contract
Section 6 Paragraph D1 states " The company will make every reasonable effort to protect a crewmembers guaranteed days off"
This is followed by paragraph D2 " If a crewmember is required to perform duty on a guaranteed day off which causes the cremember fewer than 10 days of in a 30 day month....."
Where are the "Guaranteed days off. I worked for one company "Mesa" that has things in the contract such as the above "reasonable effort" or "to the best of the companies ability" and this makes the word "guarantee": worthless. Once there is a loophole like that in a section of a contract you might as well delete that section because it is worthless. The way the Southern Air contract reads if push comes to shove and there are no available crews or you have MX and are stuck somewhere the company can work you as long as they want and not replace the days off. If I am wrong please lead me to a section that clears this up.
I do have one question for you 18 wheeler i was curious about. Is there a shotage of IOE Captains there? In another section I read that they got a whopping $5.00 an hour override to conduct IOE.
" I do not know where spitfire got his quote but it is wrong."
I Have a copy of that contract
Section 6 Paragraph D1 states " The company will make every reasonable effort to protect a crewmembers guaranteed days off"
This is followed by paragraph D2 " If a crewmember is required to perform duty on a guaranteed day off which causes the cremember fewer than 10 days of in a 30 day month....."
Where are the "Guaranteed days off. I worked for one company "Mesa" that has things in the contract such as the above "reasonable effort" or "to the best of the companies ability" and this makes the word "guarantee": worthless. Once there is a loophole like that in a section of a contract you might as well delete that section because it is worthless. The way the Southern Air contract reads if push comes to shove and there are no available crews or you have MX and are stuck somewhere the company can work you as long as they want and not replace the days off. If I am wrong please lead me to a section that clears this up.
I do have one question for you 18 wheeler i was curious about. Is there a shotage of IOE Captains there? In another section I read that they got a whopping $5.00 an hour override to conduct IOE.
You are absolutely right, the company does not have to replace your days off.
However if you would quit taking things out of context you will go on to read that they must compensate you for using you on your GDOs (guaranteed days off).
On each bid line there are 10 or 11 days designated as days off. If you are not at home you will recieve additional compensaton for those days.
Three extra hours of pay for the first day and 4 hrs for each day after that .
This is in addition to regular pay.
Meaning: If you only fly 40 hours during you regular "days on" you will get the 60 hr guarantee. If you work 3 extra days and fly/deadhead 10 hrs during that time you will get 10+3+4+4=21 hrs of extra pay. For a total of 81 hrs of pay for the month.
The company does not like to pay all of that additional pay so they are making every effort not to have you out on your days off.
As Ironspud mentioned in his post most of the lines have only 16 days away from home in them. They are putting reserve days at the end of each line so they have a fudge factor getting you home before your days off start.
As for your question about check airmen, no they do not have a shortage.
Again if you continue to read the contract you will see that their guarantee goes to 75 hrs. So in effect that whopping $5 hr override goes up at least $31 hr.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
