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Old 04-10-2011, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by fdxdisco View Post
I've heard rumors that a couple of airlines are getting approval to use them but don't think that will happen to us.
Might not be a true "airline", but someone has gotten cockpit approval...

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Old 04-10-2011, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fdxdisco View Post
Grease is right. I use iAnnotate. Same thing just different program. This a great tool for route study. Just remember you can't use them below 10k in the aircraft. I've heard rumors that a couple of airlines are getting approval to use them but don't think that will happen to us.
I have heard the 10K thing mentioned by others, but I think they are off base. Flight Standards has made no official ruling on the iPad. I think this is intentional. The FOM reference you mention is specifically for jumpseaters. I know LCA's that have had line checks given by SCA's, during which the LCA used his iPad as an EFB for all phases of flight. Nothing but positive comments were made. Just make sure you have the iPad in flight mode and you should be good to go, as long as you are not using your iPad to work on your monthly bid...

Of course, without official guidance, captains discretion applies!
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Old 04-10-2011, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by subicpilot View Post
I know LCA's that have had line checks given by SCA's, during which the LCA used his iPad as an EFB for all phases of flight. Just make sure you have the iPad in flight mode and you should be good to go, as long as you are not using your iPad to work on your monthly bid...
I still don't think it's legal. Why would the "FAA authorisation was only granted following an intensive three-month in-flight evaluation" for Executive Jet (read previous post) if it was OK for anyone to use it as an EFB. If it was OK why not have your laptop out. I can carry they same pubs in that too. You do have a good point in that we don't have specific guidance. I'll ask the some people to see if we can get the answer.
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Old 04-10-2011, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fdxdisco View Post
I still don't think it's legal. Why would the "FAA authorisation was only granted following an intensive three-month in-flight evaluation" for Executive Jet (read previous post) if it was OK for anyone to use it as an EFB. If it was OK why not have your laptop out. I can carry they same pubs in that too. You do have a good point in that we don't have specific guidance. I'll ask the some people to see if we can get the answer.
I don't know of anything prohibiting laptop use either. I think common sense applies. Don't turn use anything that emits a signal, and don't use personal electronic devices for non-flight related duties (like listening to music, playing videos, working on your bid etc.) The rest is up to the captain, until more specific guidance emerges.
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Originally Posted by subicpilot View Post
I have heard the 10K thing mentioned by others, but I think they are off base. Flight Standards has made no official ruling on the iPad. I think this is intentional. The FOM reference you mention is specifically for jumpseaters. I know LCA's that have had line checks given by SCA's, during which the LCA used his iPad as an EFB for all phases of flight. Nothing but positive comments were made. Just make sure you have the iPad in flight mode and you should be good to go, as long as you are not using your iPad to work on your monthly bid...

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It is in the FOM

Do not permit operation of personal portable radio signal transmitting devices except hearing aids and heart pacemakers (FAR 91.21) during taxi, takeoff, climb, descent, approach and landing. During cruise, above 10,000 FT, jumpseaters may use the following with the Captain's permission:
  • Laptop/palmtop computers.
  • Audio and video players.
  • Audio and video recorders.
  • FM receivers.
  • Calculators.
  • Electric razors.
  • Compact disc players.
The following electronic devices are not permitted to be operated on aircraft from block-out to block-in:
  • Cellular telephone.
  • CB or amateur radio transceivers.
  • Remote control transmitters.
  • Hand held GPS units.
  • Personal pagers (Brief all jumpseaters that personal pagers must be turned OFF for the duration of the flight).
The FedEx Pilot Access Terminal (PAT) has been EMI tested and may be operated during any phase of operation.
Brief all jumpseaters that operation of personal electronic devices is permitted with the Captain's permission but only in cruise. The Captain must be advised when these devices are in use. Be alert for any abnormal system operation while personal electronic devices are in use. Report any electronic interference on a Flight Safety Report.
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The FedEx Pilot Access Terminal (PAT) has been EMI tested...
Actually, so has the iPad on all of our aircraft. It has unofficially passed and is currently waiting FAA approval.
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Originally Posted by HIFLYR View Post
It is in the FOM

Do not permit operation of personal portable radio signal transmitting devices except hearing aids and heart pacemakers (FAR 91.21) during taxi, takeoff, climb, descent, approach and landing. During cruise, above 10,000 FT, jumpseaters may use the following with the Captain's permission:
  • Laptop/palmtop computers.
  • Audio and video players.
  • Audio and video recorders.
  • FM receivers.
  • Calculators.
  • Electric razors.
  • Compact disc players.
The following electronic devices are not permitted to be operated on aircraft from block-out to block-in:
  • Cellular telephone.
  • CB or amateur radio transceivers.
  • Remote control transmitters.
  • Hand held GPS units.
  • Personal pagers (Brief all jumpseaters that personal pagers must be turned OFF for the duration of the flight).
The FedEx Pilot Access Terminal (PAT) has been EMI tested and may be operated during any phase of operation.
Brief all jumpseaters that operation of personal electronic devices is permitted with the Captain's permission but only in cruise. The Captain must be advised when these devices are in use. Be alert for any abnormal system operation while personal electronic devices are in use. Report any electronic interference on a Flight Safety Report.
It says nothing about a crewmember not using a laptop/ ipad below 10,000 ft.
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Old 04-11-2011, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus View Post
It says nothing about a crewmember not using a laptop/ ipad below 10,000 ft.
Would not a Ipad be considered any of the following?
  • Laptop/palmtop computers.
  • Audio and video players.
  • Audio and video recorders.
  • Calculator
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Old 04-11-2011, 11:27 AM
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Yes they would, but it says jumpseater, not crewmembers. I see LCA's using their ipads during taxi, takeoff and landing every flight.
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Old 04-11-2011, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus View Post
Yes they would, but it says jumpseater, not crewmembers. I see LCA's using their ipads during taxi, takeoff and landing every flight.
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I am not trying to be argumentative and I am certainly not a lawyer nor did I stay at a Holiday inn last night "currently Red Lion" but I read it differently. The heading this is under in the FOM is
PERSONAL PORTABLE ELECTRONIC DEVICES FAR 91.21 , FAR 121.306 and the first of the paragraph I read to prohibit anyone even crew from using the listed devices and then lower section gives only jumseaters the ability to use the devices. Then lower it addresses the ability of crews to use the PAT. IF I was having a check ride and a real FAA inspector was on board I would request them not to be used. Just my opinion and your mileage may vary
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