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Old 08-15-2011, 01:41 PM   #11  
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We DO NOT need to fix vacation. We must never open that section. If we do, it will only get worse.

The only pilots I've ever talked to that didn't like our vacation system, were those that don't understand it and flunk bidding in a vacation month.
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Old 08-15-2011, 01:56 PM   #12  
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You do realize that if you take an Rday off for every vacation day you can get about 1 and a half hours of vacation buy back.

It's all about choices that you decide to make in this job.
fecav8r,

You've got a reputation for being a good guy, but ... I'm sure you're smart enough to realize that you can Extend your vacation during Reserve months and still use up all (and extra) of your vacation hours. I have done it MANY times.

Vacation during Reserve months is VERY CONFUSING. I recommend everyone call their futures scheduler and talk with them.

And ... I agree than we could lose big time if we EVER open the vacation section during negotiations.

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Old 08-15-2011, 01:57 PM   #13  
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Can you not pick the days to remove that are consecutive to the awarded vacation or not pick them during the conflict/input window and not use whatever vacation days that do not conflict?
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Old 08-15-2011, 02:08 PM   #14  
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I was awarded a reserve line for Sept and can conflict it with 3 vacation days that would leave me with about 40 buy-back hours. Here's my question - I can't find the option to communicate that intent in VIPS, and my notification indicates that they will just expand my days off to use up all my hours. Any help from you guys on where i need to go to fix this? Thanks!
Hi Life, it's too late for this one as the window closed at 1200gmt but for the next time, if you bid a reserve line, here's the process:
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-Bid Period Processing
-Vacation Adjustment
-Vacation Expansion
Hope this helps.
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Old 08-15-2011, 03:06 PM   #15  
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Can you not pick the days to remove that are consecutive to the awarded vacation or not pick them during the conflict/input window and not use whatever vacation days that do not conflict?
Simple answer - NO

If you have 7 days of vacation - 7 R days will be removed from your reserve line.

You can also use the vacation expansion option and remove more but never less than the awarded vacation days.
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Old 08-15-2011, 03:11 PM   #16  
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Thanks guys - probably another reserve item that we need to be looking at for next negotiations...

Why would we want to look at this??? This is not a negative!

If you need the extra cash - pick up a few stbys on your days off
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:46 PM   #17  
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we do not need to fix vacation. We must never open that section. If we do, it will only get worse.

The only pilots i've ever talked to that didn't like our vacation system, were those that don't understand it and flunk bidding in a vacation month.

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Old 08-15-2011, 11:43 PM   #18  
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Simple answer - NO

If you have 7 days of vacation - 7 R days will be removed from your reserve line.

You can also use the vacation expansion option and remove more but never less than the awarded vacation days.
Technically, its Vacation Extension for reserve line holders (7.G.3.e). Expansion is for regular line holders only (7.E.3).
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Technically, its Vacation Extension for reserve line holders (7.G.3.e). Expansion is for regular line holders only (7.E.3).
That's what I meant to say I just did it for SEP and still typed the wrong word
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fecav8r,

You've got a reputation for being a good guy, but ... I'm sure you're smart enough to realize that you can Extend your vacation during Reserve months and still use up all (and extra) of your vacation hours. I have done it MANY times.

Vacation during Reserve months is VERY CONFUSING. I recommend everyone call their futures scheduler and talk with them.

And ... I agree than we could lose big time if we EVER open the vacation section during negotiations.

Mark
Mark,
I know very well how the vacation system works in regard to reserve. My ire is due the the fact that the poster called any one who didnt use their entire vacation bank a loser and then went on to join that with having hookers around the world due to the fact you dont have a life. My post was to refute the fact that there are many reasons why people do things here, and just because they dont do what you think they should that they are a loser. I know a lot of folks that have kids in college and that little check for vacation buy back comes in real handy for Spring semester tuition. If you want to use your entire vacation bank, knock yourself out. If you dont, good for you too. I dont think youre a loser either way.
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