First class authorization Fedex
 

Does anyone know how long a stopover can be and still be authorized first class. For example going to europe from point A in the US to B in Europe layover for 36 continue to point C in Europe. All in the same reservation can it all be first class?

check out 8c4d

...or 8A4b - when a higher class of service is authorized

Thanks. But neither section addresses my question.

I don't think you can be in first class after the layover - unless your deviation plans resulted in a shorter-than-legal layover. Then it would be seen as a continuous duty period and you could get first class.

After a 36 hour layover, it's new duty period and the DH has to be over 5 block hours to get FC. ANC trips with a DH to or from NRT usually go through SEA with a layover there. The legs between ANC and SEA are always coach while the legs to/from NRT are in first.

which is exactly what section 8A4b addresses - only 3 cases where first class is authorized (or a higher class than coach) - new duty period after a legal rest (36 hours) = have to meet 1 of the 3 criteria all over again

I think 8c4d and the other section quoted does:

Travel claimed as a deviation expense must begin or end within
3 days of the scheduled assignment to/from which the pilot is
deviating (e.g. scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day) and must
proceed to the intended destination of the deviation with no
greater than a 24 hour delay enroute, domestically, and a 48
hour delay enroute internationally

I would say that is exactly your scenario with respect to the amount of delay time allowed, as for your first class on the second leg I would say that the class rules apply for that "duty period". The problem becomes if you can't book a single ticket with first on the long leg and coach on the short. It may require you booking 2 tickets, if you look at bid pack pairings with layovers between deadheads they apply the class rules to each duty period, not the total travel time.

Call your FOA and ask?

There's really nothing to ask an FOA about.

He never said he was deviating, so the 8c4d really doesn't apply. I got the impression he has a scheduled deadhead with the parameters he listed and was wondering why the second leg was in coach.

AFWMD11's contract reference was correct and provided all the info necessary to answer the question. He just needed a little pilot speak and a real world example. I think we've all found one section or another in the contract to be a little challenging to interpret depending on our current level of sleep deprivation.

roger that, obviously did not read it the way you did and in your interpretation you are obviously correct. I have never seen a 36 hour layover between scheduled deadheads! I would like to though:)

My fault for not mentioning that this is on a deviation. I am aware of all of the parameters that need to be met to authorize a higher class of service. However the only reason I even asked was because when I booked my ticket through global travel it was booked all in one reservation including the 36hr layover. I knew the ticket was first class on the first leg, but it wasn't until I hung up that I realized it was booked that way all the way through. Guees I should call back and make sure the second leg is booked in coach. Thanks for the replies.

You're always allowed to purchase any type of ticket you want to as a deviation ticket (any class of service)

The gotcha is that if the company travel auditors can determine that 1) only coach was authorized (as per 8A4b), and 2) how much the difference in the price of the ticket WOULD have been between first and coach......then they WILL stick you with the difference (out of pocket, no matter how much extra bank $$ you have)

If Global Travel booked/paid for the ticket as one FARE for both legs, it might be hard for the travel auditors to break out how much the difference (if any) would have been.

If the first class ticket you buy is = or < than the coach ticket from B to C, then you won't be out any and you will have gone first class the entire way (as it should be)

In any case, you can purchase any class of ticket you want to as a deviation ticket - doesn't matter.

The only question, really, is how much is the company going to reimburse you after all is said & done?

The company will only reimburse you for the class of service that 8A4b allows.

Hope that helps.

Short answer...YES, you can book 1st class all the way through. Your layover in Europe is less than 48 hours.

Layover 24 hr max domestic, 48 hour max international.

Yah, he can book 1st class all the way through. But, if he doesn't meet the parameters for 1st class D/H...He'll pay the difference.:eek:

The stopover time has nothing to do with 1st class travel. Unless it's not long enough to be considered a legal rest period. Then, it would all be done in the same duty-time.

BB is spot on. Each leg would be considered separately for first class consideration because there is an intervening legal rest between the second and third legs. So, if the third leg in your case is less than 5 block hours, then you're only entitled to a coach class ticket.

It's your bank, another option
 

I went from ANC-MSP-SEA in First Class because the Corp. Travel lady told me that "contractually speaking" I could not buy a FC ticket from ANC to SEA.
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Same logic ... I frequently book West Coast - DFW - East Coast so tha total block time is > 5hrs ... :eek:

Can anyone tell me how you indicate on the expense report that the deviation you booked in first class met the requirements? Can't seem to figure out how to use that personal first class upgrade block on the form.

Thanks for any help.

You don't have too and I'm not sure there is a place. I have had to call them once when they processed one expense report but usually it isn't a problem. The person fixed it while I was on the phone.

Just put in the comments section why your deviation qualified. i.e "same duty time D/H deviation", etc.

Thanks, I will give it a try.

I've never had that problem. Typically, if it's an odd case (duty day or live deadhead, etc.), Global Travel will ask you then they will notate it on the ticket somewhere. I've done this for years, never written anything on the Expense Report myself and never had a problem.

Same here. I had deadheaded midwest US to NRT. Arrive NRT about 2pm. Catch Cathay the next morning at 9am for HKG (just under 5hrs) and traveled in first or business because the layover in NRT was "short".

I've asked Corp Travel about this and I get different answers. Even my expense report lady wasn't sure. The answer I get most often is if the intermediate layover is under 24hrs I can continue on the short leg in the higher class of service. It's not written so don't try to find it. It's one of those little secret rules that only Corp Travel seems to have available to them. I always ask if I'm concerned about having to pay the difference later.

New Sheriff in town. I just did this on my Dec travel report. I bought a 1st class upgrade from sfo to dfw (mainly because the upgrade was only $44). It was essentially a 18 hour duty period; scheduled 9 hours 4 hours off and 5 hours of deviation. Additionally the total block exceeded 11 hours. But I got this response:

Auditor 11JAN12 21:00 Per global travel the flight duration was 4 hrs 25 min, therefore the deviation based on the duration time did not qualify for first class so you were charged the upgrade per your request.

Hopefully it is just a new auditor. I sent them an E Mail that I hope clears it up. Otherwise I will have to listen to DT tell me I dont have a case.

Please check your expense reports.

That is exactly what happened to me. I recommend calling. When I called, the person took care of it right then. I have emailed in the past and it took a while to get a response.

Just use your new 3% pay raise to pay the difference in the ticket that you should be entitled to, but now won't be for at least another couple of years.

Same situation, I called it was resolved in 3 minutes but now that wouldn't give the 12 angry men anything to b...ch about.

I prefer E Mail as my form of communication with the company that way both parties have a record. With a phone call only the company has a record.

Still not resolved it seems my 2 hour hotel layover may have invalidated my claim to an upgrade. No I dont think that, but the auditor is checking on it.

I nominate Hdawg for the 13th man.

I had two personal upgrades last month and both were approved no problem. I put a short comment for each one stating the reason/justification for the upgrade. Report is already closed.

Worked great for me.

Call?? Email?? Isn't the point you shouldn't have to do either? I get tired of having to do others jobs better than them. If it's legal why is there a question....?