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PastV1 11-23-2011 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by JonnyKnoxville (Post 1090027)
All good points. Safety is important as long as it does not effect my quality of life. Your judgement concerns me, Captain.

As fatigue is a contributing factor in a large number of accidents, why would you not want to discuss the impact it had on people that died as a result of it? Oh yeah, I forgot, it is because it might effect your quality of life...got it.

Quality of life has nothing to do with working 4, 3 day weeks a month. It has everything to do with being able to acclimate for a week of night flying then re-acclimate to the day schedule on your week off.

Nice way to question my judgement, but you would be wrong in that regard.

Sniper 11-23-2011 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by PastV1 (Post 1090240)
Quality of life has nothing to do with working 4, 3 day weeks a month. It has everything to do with being able to acclimate for a week of night flying then re-acclimate to the day schedule on your week off.

What does "re-acclimate to the day schedule on your week off" have to do with the safe operation of aircraft? If you're acclimated for your duty period, that is enhancing safety of flight. If you're unacclimated for attending your daughter's dance recital or your buddy's BBQ on your days off, then safety of flight is not compromised.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your concern with the new rules.

Gunter 11-24-2011 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by PastV1 (Post 1090240)
Quality of life has nothing to do with working 4, 3 day weeks a month. It has everything to do with being able to acclimate for a week of night flying then re-acclimate to the day schedule on your week off.

That is a good point about multiple body clock swaps. The company is mostly blind to it. 24 hr layovers on short, TAFB trips appear to be a fix all when optimizing our flying for the lowest cost.

ALPA has been unable to convince them to stop. I would like a little help from new rules.

PastV1 11-24-2011 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 1090363)
That is a good point about multiple body clock swaps. The company is mostly blind to it. 24 hr layovers on short, TAFB trips appear to be a fix all when optimizing our flying for the lowest cost.

ALPA has been unable to convince them to stop. I would like a little help from new rules.

I don't disagree with you. I'm just also concerned with the unintended consequence's of the new rules.

PastV1 11-24-2011 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 1090310)
What does "re-acclimate to the day schedule on your week off" have to do with the safe operation of aircraft? If you're acclimated for your duty period, that is enhancing safety of flight. If you're unacclimated for attending your daughter's dance recital or your buddy's BBQ on your days off, then safety of flight is not compromised.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your concern with the new rules.

It's not the being home time it's the at work time (night) when you are working 3-4 nights on then have 3-4 days off on a regular basis.

§ 117.27 Consecutive nighttime operations.
No certificate holder may schedule and no flightcrew member may accept more than three consecutive nighttime flight duty periods unless the certificate holder provides an opportunity to rest during the flight duty period in accordance with § 117.17.

§ 117.17 Flight duty period: Split duty.
For a split duty period, a certificate holder may extend and a flightcrew member may accept a flight duty period up to 50 percent of time that the flightcrew member spent in a suitable accommodation up to a maximum flight duty period of 12 hours provided the flightcrew member is given a minimum opportunity to rest in a suitable accommodation of 4 hours, measured from the time the flightcrew member reaches the rest facility.

The above is what I found. There may be exceptions etc...... YMMV

CE750 11-24-2011 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by PastV1 (Post 1087343)
Change for the sake of change isn't always good. It would be nice to know what the changes are before we accept them.

What it could do to cargo is limit our week on week off flying. Swapping day/night schedules by working 3-4 days a week every week leaves no time to recuperate before you head back to work.

it absolutely frightens me that you're an MD11 captain.... I pray maybe for a bottom feeder like Skylease, as I can't imagine Fedex or UPS hiring someone with that much lack of judgement.

to the OP, I've called as have all my friends... keep up the good fight.

PastV1 11-25-2011 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by CE750 (Post 1090619)
it absolutely frightens me that you're an MD11 captain.... I pray maybe for a bottom feeder like Skylease, as I can't imagine Fedex or UPS hiring someone with that much lack of judgement.

to the OP, I've called as have all my friends... keep up the good fight.

Obviously you haven't read the entire thread.

LeftWing 11-25-2011 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by CE750 (Post 1090619)
it absolutely frightens me that you're an MD11 captain.... I pray maybe for a bottom feeder like Skylease, as I can't imagine Fedex or UPS hiring someone with that much lack of judgement.

to the OP, I've called as have all my friends... keep up the good fight.

yeah, because FedEx and UPS pilots are better than pilots at places like SkyLease:rolleyes:

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CE750 11-25-2011 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by PastV1 (Post 1090688)
Obviously you haven't read the entire thread.

I read the entire thread.. Obviously you haven't read the NPRM ... IT's only been out for two years...

CE750 11-25-2011 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by LeftWing (Post 1090708)
yeah, because FedEx and UPS pilots are better than pilots at places like SkyLease:rolleyes:

http://wildomarmagazine.files.wordpr...in-mouth2.jpeg

Better pilots? not really... I didn't say anything about pilot skill..


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