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12-15-2011, 07:02 AM

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Adlerdriver

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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot

Now, the first SUB period is worth 6ch. However, if dropped, you will earn 22:50 TAFB (numbers for specific trip in question,YMMV) at overage rate 150%, which is way more than 6ch. So, retroactively drop first trip that caused 1st SUB period and keep overage.

Second SUB is worth 8ch. The original extended trip conflicts with 1:45 of Sub period (1500L blockin + :30 postflight.) By this time, overage is 200%, so overage would be TAFB for 1:45 at 200%. Since 1:45 TAFB is worth about 00:28ch, your choice is being paid 8ch for SUB or getting 00:28ch at 200%. In this case, keep the SUB, forego the overage, and know that chances are slim that CRS will come up with a SUB assignement at 1530L on a Friday afternoon.

Maybe I'm not following this exactly. It sounds like you're saying that with multiple trips being affected by a trip extension, you can selectively accept sub or not for each trip?

If you elect the overage for the extended trip, how can you take sub for the second? Isn't overage an all or nothing option? You either get the overage or your don't, right? Or is it possible to accept the overage for the period affecting the first trip and have it stop at the start of the second?

12-15-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver

That's exactly what I'm saying. I said real-world example. This is a trip that happened to me. I retroactively dropped the first trip(Ch go into make-up) so I gave up 6 CH of SUB and got just over 6 CH of TAFB pay at 150%. I accepted sub for a 8 CH trip and gave up 0+28 CH of TAFB pay at 200%. Overage at 200% was paid up until showtime for the Friday trip which was SUBed.

I refer you to Section 4BB4 b. and c.

b. If the pilot held trip guarantee for the subsequent trip (i.e., it was not a VLT, DRF, CMU, MUS, MUV, AFB or RSV trip), the pilot may elect to have the trip in conflict dropped without pay, in which case the accrued overage shall be paid and the dropped credit hours shall be eligible for make-up.

c. If the pilot does not elect the option in Section 4.BB.4.b. (the above paragraph), the subsequent trip shall be removed with pay (as provided in Section 4.L.), and the pilot shall be eligible for substitution. If the removed trip was a substitution trip, that trip shall not be credited towards the pilot's substitution guarantee and the pilot shall remain eligible for substitution. His entitlement to trip guarantee for his original trip shall not be affected.

This section applies separately each time a trip revision triggers a SUB situation. If you elect to accept SUB, overage is not paid for the footprint of that SUB trip, but continues after that footprint.

12-15-2011, 02:11 PM

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Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

While we're on this subject. In the case of a trip extension that affects just one future trip:
The ALPA calendar says you have 3 options - overage, sub or OTP.
With the OTP option, it says you get overage for the extended trip as well as OTP for the trip in conflict.

If that is the case, why would anyone take option 1, simple overage?

12-15-2011, 06:35 PM

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Just my take, but some of the non-MD fleets have little to no open time, making OTP of limited value. If you drop and take Overage, the time still goes into your make-up bank, just not as PMU. Also, you have to elect OTP prior to the showtime for the trip in question, so you can't know for sure which of the 3 options is best. Occasionally, like on the second trip in my example, staying in SUB is the best solution, especially on a fleet with little open time. I got paid for an 8 CH trip without actually having to fly a trip, as opposed to OTP or the retroactive straight drop.