ABX Air Interview
#12
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I don't really know that guys would not be 'welcomed' into the fray. Most who are paused and intelligent may 'hate the game, but not the player.' Its my way of saying that new-hired guys are not taking someones job, or scabs, or anything else along those lines. This issue does not even concern them at this point and is one of a bad decision from the parent corporation, or more so its president, to withold re-employment to those who took jobs at ATI.
You should (IMO) base your decison on a job at ABX....or any other place....on the facts of the job itself and not the passing antics that occur between its union and management.
You should (IMO) base your decison on a job at ABX....or any other place....on the facts of the job itself and not the passing antics that occur between its union and management.
#13
I don't really know that guys would not be 'welcomed' into the fray. Most who are paused and intelligent may 'hate the game, but not the player.' Its my way of saying that new-hired guys are not taking someones job, or scabs, or anything else along those lines. This issue does not even concern them at this point and is one of a bad decision from the parent corporation, or more so its president, to withold re-employment to those who took jobs at ATI.
You should (IMO) base your decison on a job at ABX....or any other place....on the facts of the job itself and not the passing antics that occur between its union and management.
You should (IMO) base your decison on a job at ABX....or any other place....on the facts of the job itself and not the passing antics that occur between its union and management.
Thanks for the feedback. I'll be scheduling my interview on Monday and if offered a job I wouldn't make a decision until I get a clear picture of the furloughed situation. In the mean time, can you please give me an idea for schedules and the interview process? Thanks.
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I can not speak to ABX's flight sched's and what lines/reserve look like. I am one of those who are furloughed and working for ATI (for the moment). I do get their bid packs and scheds for review, but not living that life...so I can't tell you what it feels like to be away from home for 17. There are others on this/other forums who are actively flying and can better describe the lifestyle.
As far as their interview goes....well, that info is best gotten from those who have recently been there. Since ABX hasn't interviewed in a long time, there is no real gouge/info to be easily had. With that in mind, I've heard there is an online test, HR/Flight interview. If given a call-back, a simulator ride and drug testing. I know this sounds basic, but maybe others who have been will chime in.
I haven't heard of the ATI training class(es) being cnx'd. So that's new to me, but doesn't necessarly mean more furloughs (although its possible). Regardless, if ABX doesn't allow ATI furloughee's to return prior to 2 years from their DOH (ATI), then its a moot point. The 1st people to reach their 2 year mark will be in APR.
As far as their interview goes....well, that info is best gotten from those who have recently been there. Since ABX hasn't interviewed in a long time, there is no real gouge/info to be easily had. With that in mind, I've heard there is an online test, HR/Flight interview. If given a call-back, a simulator ride and drug testing. I know this sounds basic, but maybe others who have been will chime in.
I haven't heard of the ATI training class(es) being cnx'd. So that's new to me, but doesn't necessarly mean more furloughs (although its possible). Regardless, if ABX doesn't allow ATI furloughee's to return prior to 2 years from their DOH (ATI), then its a moot point. The 1st people to reach their 2 year mark will be in APR.
#16
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News to me..... AFAIK the only guys getting a “permanent furlough” are the PFEs from the DC-8s. All the other guys who are eligible to actually fly are going through 767 training right now or will be soon (temporary furlough).
ATI is short on pilots and in theory we’re bringing on more 767s in the near future. Plus the 757 combis will start showing up on property in Q3 of 2012.
The only sketchy thing right now is the Capital Cargo merger into ATI. That is going to be interesting going forward.
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757's coming to ATI is not growth. This will be a one for one replacement for the DC8 combi. So not really a net increase in flying seats. Might see an occasional use of an IRO, so I could concede perhaps a few more bodies needed. But a real stretch to call this projected growth.
IMHO a merger with Capital is likely. This will be ugly for the Abx folks at ATI.
Then a merger of that combined entity is likely after with Abx.
All this will mean is years of uncertainly and furloughs.
ATSG has probably the worst relationship with its employees in the industry and has a habit of using furlough as a means to bully its pilot groups into acceding to its demands.
They have and would furlough when short of pilots to create a false sence of doom/instability within the labor groups.
Either way, why would someone voluntarily jump from a position of seniority at another job to being junior in this fracas?
As an FYI to any prospective Abx wanna be, the bottom 20-30 guys on the list have all been furloughed at least 2-3 times. Some are on there 4th.
Abx has also furloughed New Hires in class. Not sure they even made it to systems before this happened.
Think long and hard before making this decision.
Abx is not a great career choice at this point in time.
IMHO a merger with Capital is likely. This will be ugly for the Abx folks at ATI.
Then a merger of that combined entity is likely after with Abx.
All this will mean is years of uncertainly and furloughs.
ATSG has probably the worst relationship with its employees in the industry and has a habit of using furlough as a means to bully its pilot groups into acceding to its demands.
They have and would furlough when short of pilots to create a false sence of doom/instability within the labor groups.
Either way, why would someone voluntarily jump from a position of seniority at another job to being junior in this fracas?
As an FYI to any prospective Abx wanna be, the bottom 20-30 guys on the list have all been furloughed at least 2-3 times. Some are on there 4th.
Abx has also furloughed New Hires in class. Not sure they even made it to systems before this happened.
Think long and hard before making this decision.
Abx is not a great career choice at this point in time.
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There's another thing about this situation that really bothers me.
ABX, ATI and CCIA are all controlled by Joe Hete who is the CEO of ATSG (the parent corporation of ABX, ATI and CCIA).
There are about 80 pilots who were furloughed from ABX and went to work at ATI starting around April 2010. Those ABX/ATI pilots went to ATI with the understanding that they would not be eligible to return to ABX until after they had been at ATI for two years.
As of about a month ago, ABX finally went all the way through their recall list, not counting the ABX/ATI pilots who are not yet eligible to accept a recall at ABX because they haven't been at ATI for two years yet. Starting in April of this year, the first of those ABX/ATI pilots will have completed their two years at ATI. There is a possibility that those ABX/ATI pilot will want to return to ABX because the pay is much higher and some of the work rules are better.
For a very short period of time, Joe Hete has a window of opportunity to acquire hew hire pilots at new hire wages before the 12 year pay scale, ABX/ATI pilots start to be eligible to return to ABX. It is possible that ABX is in a hiring frenzy right now to stockpile new hire pilots while they can to ensure a ready supply of cheaper labor.
Those ABX pilots went to ATI with their eyes wide open. If Hete is maneuvering to be able to get new hires instead of bringing back pilots who went to ATI, there is no official reason he can't. However, I think it's ethically wrong. It is a manipulation of the ABX/ATI pilots. Those pilots went to ATI with the understanding that they would get to return to ABX after their two years was up. Their recall rights are only for 7 years. If Hete can hold off recalling any more furloughed pilots for a couple more years, those pilots lose their recall rights forever.
I think anyone who knowingly participates in this scheme is guilty of manipulating the ABX/ATI pilots. I don't think Joe Hete will have any problem sleeping at night but I would if I was a part of this.
ABX, ATI and CCIA are all controlled by Joe Hete who is the CEO of ATSG (the parent corporation of ABX, ATI and CCIA).
There are about 80 pilots who were furloughed from ABX and went to work at ATI starting around April 2010. Those ABX/ATI pilots went to ATI with the understanding that they would not be eligible to return to ABX until after they had been at ATI for two years.
As of about a month ago, ABX finally went all the way through their recall list, not counting the ABX/ATI pilots who are not yet eligible to accept a recall at ABX because they haven't been at ATI for two years yet. Starting in April of this year, the first of those ABX/ATI pilots will have completed their two years at ATI. There is a possibility that those ABX/ATI pilot will want to return to ABX because the pay is much higher and some of the work rules are better.
For a very short period of time, Joe Hete has a window of opportunity to acquire hew hire pilots at new hire wages before the 12 year pay scale, ABX/ATI pilots start to be eligible to return to ABX. It is possible that ABX is in a hiring frenzy right now to stockpile new hire pilots while they can to ensure a ready supply of cheaper labor.
Those ABX pilots went to ATI with their eyes wide open. If Hete is maneuvering to be able to get new hires instead of bringing back pilots who went to ATI, there is no official reason he can't. However, I think it's ethically wrong. It is a manipulation of the ABX/ATI pilots. Those pilots went to ATI with the understanding that they would get to return to ABX after their two years was up. Their recall rights are only for 7 years. If Hete can hold off recalling any more furloughed pilots for a couple more years, those pilots lose their recall rights forever.
I think anyone who knowingly participates in this scheme is guilty of manipulating the ABX/ATI pilots. I don't think Joe Hete will have any problem sleeping at night but I would if I was a part of this.
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The ATI, CCIA merger is alreay occurring. An integration plan has already been submitted to the FAA and a some CCIA people are already in LIT.
I've heard that CCIA people will still have operational control while ATI flight controllers actually do the paperwork/ff for about 60 days. Then ATI will take over full operational control once the FAA signs off on it.
While the 757 is a 1 for 1, you need to count the other 767s coming in property for the possible growth. There is at least one 767-300 @ ILN right now and two more are being ferried in over the next few weeks by ATI. Granted ATSG has final say who gets them but......
Another thing is, as far as we've all heard, CCIA has 5-6 lines of DHL 727 flying and two with the 757. In addition there are two 757s just sitting around that we can offer up once they are put on the ATI's certificate.
My personal feeling is that ATI and ABX will be housed in the same building down the road but will be two separate companies. The ops departments are completely different (resources and automation) and basically ATI can do a lot of flights cheaper then ABX.
Will be interesting to see going forward.
I've heard that CCIA people will still have operational control while ATI flight controllers actually do the paperwork/ff for about 60 days. Then ATI will take over full operational control once the FAA signs off on it.
While the 757 is a 1 for 1, you need to count the other 767s coming in property for the possible growth. There is at least one 767-300 @ ILN right now and two more are being ferried in over the next few weeks by ATI. Granted ATSG has final say who gets them but......
Another thing is, as far as we've all heard, CCIA has 5-6 lines of DHL 727 flying and two with the 757. In addition there are two 757s just sitting around that we can offer up once they are put on the ATI's certificate.
My personal feeling is that ATI and ABX will be housed in the same building down the road but will be two separate companies. The ops departments are completely different (resources and automation) and basically ATI can do a lot of flights cheaper then ABX.
Will be interesting to see going forward.
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