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UPSFO4LIFE 02-15-2012 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by DLax85 (Post 1135209)
Exactly what in the "actual" new rules would drive this change in your schedules?

(There was a lot of talk "before" the "actual" new rules came out, which suggested commuting could become more limited/difficult, but I don't believe any of those limitations (i.e. max # of consecutive night hub turns) made it into the final verbiage)

Do your sources in "manpower planning" work for the IPA or management??

Manpower planning is a UPS function. I believe you would be limited to 3 nights or EDW trips in a row. No more Tues. Morning to Sat. morning trips per the new rules. Like I said before, I would like the IPA to put out some sample trips that reflect the new rules. They are doing a great job telling me how we are still overstaffed and how many more vacation weeks will be avail., now let me see how the lines will look if we are included in the new rest rules. That's all!:)

DLax85 02-15-2012 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE (Post 1135576)
Manpower planning is a UPS function. I believe you would be limited to 3 nights or EDW trips in a row. No more Tues. Morning to Sat. morning trips per the new rules. Like I said before, I would like the IPA to put out some sample trips that reflect the new rules. They are doing a great job telling me how we are still overstaffed and how many more vacation weeks will be avail., now let me see how the lines will look if we are included in the new rest rules. That's all!:)

I'm unfamiliar with your "EDW" trips, but if you are talking only 3 "hub turns" in a row, I believe that restriction was originally in the "proposed" rules, but did NOT make the final version.

Other's in the know please chime in....and I will look to double-check the new rules.

I do agree; however, that your IPA should answer these type of simple scheduling question immediately.

MaxKts 02-15-2012 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by DLax85 (Post 1135588)
I'm unfamiliar with your "EDW" trips, but if you are talking only 3 "hub turns" in a row, I believe that restriction was originally in the "proposed" rules, but did NOT make the final version.

Other's in the know please chime in....and I will look to double-check the new rules.

I do agree; however, that your IPA should answer these type of simple scheduling question immediately.

The "rule" is in there - sorta.

If you can get a minimum of 2 hours rest between hub turns you are not restricted to only 3 in a row.

CactusCrew 02-16-2012 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by MaxKts (Post 1135592)
The "rule" is in there - sorta.

If you can get a minimum of 2 hours rest between hub turns you are not restricted to only 3 in a row.


Hey UPSFO4LIFE,

If you fly domestic sort trips, do many of our trips NOT have at least 2 hours on the ground during the sort ?

Not being a wise guy, just an unfamiliar international type who really doesn't know ... ;)

FDXLAG 02-16-2012 04:09 AM

2 hours on the ground does not equal 2 hours rest though.

CactusCrew 02-16-2012 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1135848)
2 hours on the ground does not equal 2 hours rest though.


Understood, but how is it written in the regs, that's the question ?

Busboy 02-16-2012 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1135848)
2 hours on the ground does not equal 2 hours rest though.


Originally Posted by CactusCrew (Post 1136016)
Understood, but how is it written in the regs, that's the question ?

Whats the difference?

"So let it be written...So let it be done.."

FDXLAG 02-16-2012 09:13 AM

That is a pretty good representation on how the white house sees Federal Regulators. :eek:

Think there was a burning bush in the oval office when they got their marching orders? :D

Busboy 02-16-2012 09:38 AM

Burning bush? They all have good medical insurance with prescription plans that cover that problem. So, I would have to guess, no.


(I couldn't decide which way to go on this...GW or this. But, I didn't want to make it political):D

Jetjok 02-16-2012 12:56 PM

Please, for the love of God, don't make this thread political, or the powers-what-be will close it down fo' sho'. And no religion too.

JJ


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