It will pay WB when you fly the 76 and NB when you fly 75. Most likely all reserve line will be written as 75 lines and we will do nothing to stop it. The 76 will be the "widebody lite" because half your trips will be at NB pay. Hopefully we will look seriously at UPS' pay scale and go all in for one pay rate.

Can we take the number of 767's as a percentage of the combined 76/75 fleet and negotiate that percentage of reserve lines and vacations are paid at widebody pay?

e.g: 767's make up 15% of the combined fleet then at least 15% of the reserve lines and vacation must be paid at widebody pay.

Vacation's could be paid based on your relative seniority on the bid list and reserve paid by the line you are awarded. Normal pairings would just be paid based on the equipment flown per leg.

Could this work?

IMO

Negotiators: shoot for the sky (i.e., SINGLE PAYRATE!!!)

:)

I heard the company offered this single payrate to ALPA just prior to 4a2b, in exchange for about $42M? (The equivalent of 3% for the year). I would give up the next 3% for a single payrate. Just my thoughts.

That would depend upon the RATE!

I'd rather not contemplate a single rate just for the benefit of the mathematically challenged, in order to save the company training costs and for us to end up losing far more than 3% in the long run. But we'll get it fixed in the next contract if that happens.

I think I would rather see a single 757/767 combined payrate that gets paid regardless of which airplane one flies on a particular day. If 10% of the 75/76 fleet is 767's then ration the day 90% NB / 10% WB pay. Adjust the rate each year contractually. That way EVERYONE who flies the plane gets the same payrate (including RES and vacation).

Mark,

Don't sell yourself short. The company saves beaucoup bucks with a common fleet. Training costs, recurrent footprint, re-gauge a segment at short notice, etc. A common wide-body rate for all 75/76 activities is a small price for handing that plum to the company.

YMMV,
BG

Do you mean give up a 3% pay rate across the board for a single 75/76 pay rate? or give up the 3% for a single pay rate among the fleet?

Look for the Fedex pilots to make another great stand and our union to beat the company in contractual language.

Fedelta knows what he is talking about. No need to give up anything!

Why would the company go single pay rate for 15 767 a/c over the next 5 years? They will have 71 757's and a handful of 727's, so maybe now 500 crewmembers on 80 narrow body aircraft that would now get wide body rate to cover re-gauging 75 to 76 flights? I think you would have to do a hell of a lot of re-gauging to make that math work with 15 76's. Training cost, common type after initial or transitition training on either so you change from 76 to 75 or the other way then 3 or 4 days of differences training and you are out the door and to the line. Recurrent is the same footprint for every a/c so where is the savings there? I think we have bigger issues this next contract; retirement, scheduling, deadheading, keeping vacation and just normal pay raise! This appears to me as classic misdirection by the company. We will be negotiating against ourselves over single payrate. It is not an industry standard. You all are getting worked up over 15 a/c that are suppose to be delivered in the next 5 years. Run the 76 seperate, keep wide body/ narrow body and don't let them merge the bid packs. Keep your eye on retirement, scheduling, FDA's and normal pay raise in the next contract and when they have 30 or 40 76's and feeling some pain of re-gauging or training or whatever, then we will be in a position to negotiate with them.