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FamilyATM 02-20-2012 01:50 PM

No, I don't think a common type was the big factor. Look at the wing span of 156' for the 767 vice 198' for the 330. Now look at the MEM Hub and all the construction, more a/c gates and increasing hub/sort capacity. For every 4 A330's you can park 5 767's, that's the big factor. Heck, the 330F wouldn't fit through 2/3 of the ramp taxi lanes in MEM. So what would the solution be for that, build another special ramp like we have for the 777. I don't think so. "Through put" through the hub as they call it, is what it's all about (10lbs in a 5lbs bag is what we call it). The common type is just a side note/benefit. The ability to use the same crew when re-gauging flights, small potatoes when you are talking only 15 767 a/c over the next five years. The company will still save money in training because they are not adding another type rating to the fleet. Overall I think we are putting the cart ahead of the horse right now with this 75/76 pay issue. Stick to facts, if you are worried or not over a mixed 75/76 bid pack possibility, communicate that to your block rep. For me I like and desire wide body/narrow body pay and system form for a number of reasons and will let my block rep know that. I do believe the company would like a single pay rate sometime down the line and pay overrides for everything. That may sound good at first but it has a lot of hidden gotcha's, kinda like PBS. I hope you all communicate your desires to your block rep. ATM

olly 02-20-2012 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 1138489)
This is a great wish list, problem is it isn't what our contract says.

We didn't want the MD11andMD10 in a single bid pack. As I recall the FPA tried to grieve it.


Furthermore, name an airline that operates both the 757 and 767 where crews cannot fly both and are not in a single bid pack. It is a common type rating with the 757. Don't you think this was a big factor in the buying 767 over the A330F?

Should the 767 pay wide body rates? Absolutely

Will it? Section 26k will most likely be the avenue to tell us that answer.

DAL has a common type & bid pack for 757/767-300. When they get in the cockpit & enter their employee number in acars, they get paid for what they're flying.

They have an exclusive & separate bid pack & pay rate for the 767-400. Don't know how they reconcile reserve & vacation pay.

A300jetflyer 02-20-2012 06:52 PM


Originally Posted by olly (Post 1138555)
DAL has a common type & bid pack for 757/767-300. When they get in the cockpit & enter their employee number in acars, they get paid for what they're flying.

They have an exclusive & separate bid pack & pay rate for the 767-400. Don't know how they reconcile reserve & vacation pay.

While on a DH to LFPG I spoke with the 767 crew about this very thing. He said that in the New Contract there is no difference in pay for the 757/767-300. 767-400 is seperate and has a different pay rate.

Busboy 02-20-2012 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by olly (Post 1138555)
DAL has a common type & bid pack for 757/767-300. When they get in the cockpit & enter their employee number in acars, they get paid for what they're flying.

They have an exclusive & separate bid pack & pay rate for the 767-400. Don't know how they reconcile reserve & vacation pay.


Originally Posted by A300jetflyer (Post 1138685)
While on a DH to LFPG I spoke with the 767 crew about this very thing. He said that in the New Contract there is no difference in pay for the 757/767-300. 767-400 is seperate and has a different pay rate.


After hours of intense research, I was able to find this:

Delta payscale

And, this:

United Payscale

And this:

USAirways Payscale

It's a good thing we've already been to arbitration, and lost, concerning our payrates.

trigg41 02-21-2012 06:46 AM

Heard Emb 190's for Fdx

Gooch121 02-21-2012 07:38 AM

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FamilyATM 02-21-2012 08:09 AM

+1, good advice Gooch.

tripleplay 02-21-2012 09:20 AM

We are not a passenger carrier and need to get that out of the mindset. For the cargo industry (that is all we should ever focus on IMHO) FedEx and UPS set the industry standard. We have different rates for different equipment, UPS has one rate. A single pay rate will not lead to a PBS at FedEx unless it is agreed to in contract talks. With our over rides and work rules I think a single pay scale would be great at FedEx. It should provide a more focused approach on the compensation portion in collective bargaining. It works well at UPS and if we adopt a single pay scale it would definitely be the industry standard and should improve pay across the industry (freight industry not pax). Just my 2 cents and yes I have expressed that to my block rep.

FDXLAG 02-21-2012 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by tripleplay (Post 1138908)
We are not a passenger carrier and need to get that out of the mindset. For the cargo industry (that is all we should ever focus on IMHO) FedEx and UPS set the industry standard. We have different rates for different equipment, UPS has one rate. A single pay rate will not lead to a PBS at FedEx unless it is agreed to in contract talks. With our over rides and work rules I think a single pay scale would be great at FedEx. It should provide a more focused approach on the compensation portion in collective bargaining. It works well at UPS and if we adopt a single pay scale it would definitely be the industry standard and should improve pay across the industry (freight industry not pax). Just my 2 cents and yes I have expressed that to my block rep.


Good post although I would disagree with the different rates for different equipment line. We have one rate for 777, 11, 10-30, 10-10, Big bus, and the Baby Bus. We have another rate for 727 and 757s. We are closer to the UPS model than the Delta model as far as pay rates.

Herman 02-21-2012 01:44 PM

funny stuff...angrypilotwife


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