FDX HKG pilots fired
03-28-2012, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXFLYR
"...If the interpretation of the contract that was used to can these guys is vague, not specific, or has a 1% chance that it can be interpreted in the pilots favor..."
We have 121 or so pilots based in HKG; the company investigated five I think; and two were fired, right? (The numbers may be off by a few but the order of magnitude is correct.) I can't see how you could say the contract is difficult to follow since 96% of the pilots in HKG apparently were able to comply with the contract and not be in trouble.
We have 121 or so pilots based in HKG; the company investigated five I think; and two were fired, right? (The numbers may be off by a few but the order of magnitude is correct.) I can't see how you could say the contract is difficult to follow since 96% of the pilots in HKG apparently were able to comply with the contract and not be in trouble.
03-28-2012, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FoamFlier
Nice post Alaskan!!!
This has been my argument all along!! (except yours is very well written and probably more educated than my usual argument)
This has been a total invasion of privacy and free will, what is to stop them from requiring us to live and spend the majority of our time within 100 mi of MEM in order to receive some benefit of their choosing.
Maybe something will turn the light on with the dim witted soon!!
This has been my argument all along!! (except yours is very well written and probably more educated than my usual argument)
This has been a total invasion of privacy and free will, what is to stop them from requiring us to live and spend the majority of our time within 100 mi of MEM in order to receive some benefit of their choosing.
Maybe something will turn the light on with the dim witted soon!!
Your hypo is more akin to the decision being discussed at the Supreme Court right now and not a voluntary choice to accept a benefit (even if the "conditions" of receiving the benefit are rather gray to some). Luckily we can not be forced to accept unilateral changes to benefits and pay because we are collectively bargained employees.
03-28-2012, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Dadof6
OK, I'm good with being called "dim-witted." I did NOT bid the FDA, take an early upgrade, and help the company fill seats because the terms weren't good enough for me (and ~4600 other FDX pilots); I did NOT take the housing allowance because I didn't want to relocate my family; I did NOT take an amnesty program when my possible wrongdoing or "errors in interpretation" were pointed out to me; and I did NOT scoff at one last chance of avoiding termination. Too bad for me & my family I'm dim witted.
BTW... I didn't vote or bid for it, but I can see the writing on the wall with these kind of shenanigans from the company, this isn't just about these 3-5 hostages.
03-28-2012, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alaskan
... Meanwhile FDA pilots and the union would do well to educate themselves about whether the company’s efforts to reach inside their personal family arrangements, and to dictate what pilots do on their days off, is legal under US law or ethical based on the company’s own code.
We never should have agreed to the 100NM requirement to begin with... and the idea FEDEX management can control what spouses do is completely indefensable.
Talk to other ex-pats living abroad --- indirectly placing restrictions on family members travel while living abroad is in now way "standard practice".
03-28-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by iarapilot
Come to think of it, I suppose the arbitrator will probably say "you all are in the 4% minority. I uphold the Companies decision".
03-28-2012, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
....As a hypothetical lets take 2 domestic partner female fdx pilots. One is based in HKG and one is based in ANC. If the pilot in ANC has a crashpad and commutes from HKG would that make the HKG pilot ineligible for the housing package? Would it survive a court challenge?
And what happens if a FDA pilot's spouse is a military reservist/guardsmen --- and the spouse is required by the military to serve outside the FDA location on a monthly basis, or deployed for an extended period of time?
How would this differ if a spouse had a tele-commuting type job that required a lot of international travel?
I know ex-pat families who live abroad in Europe and Asia, both spouses work, and at least one routinely (...every other month) returns to the US for business.
03-28-2012, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
....+1
We never should have agreed to the 100NM requirement to begin with... and the idea FEDEX management can control what spouses do is completely indefensable.
Talk to other ex-pats living abroad --- indirectly placing restrictions on family members travel while living abroad is in now way "standard practice".
We never should have agreed to the 100NM requirement to begin with... and the idea FEDEX management can control what spouses do is completely indefensable.
Talk to other ex-pats living abroad --- indirectly placing restrictions on family members travel while living abroad is in now way "standard practice".
Past...
FDA LOA...It was bad then and worse now.
03-28-2012, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ptarmigan
It is interesting that he chose to use the term "just culture" in this context. This has NOTHING to do with "just culture", which has a clearly defined definition. REAL "just culture" is being described in our recurrent classes. The term is completely out of place used in the context it was.
I think we all remember --- "TQM", "six-sigma", "just-in-time", "transformation", etc.
This too will pass.
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