Iara,
Dad got it spot on.
If you put "and" in for a,b, and c it would only work with training- as stated in c which wouldn't make sense. Never hurts to double check.

 

Not a problem Mex.

 

The way I understand it, your trip can start or end anywhere, and your deviation ticket can start or end anywhere. Just meet the requirements of Section 8c3a.

 

Maybe you're thinking of:

8.C.4.d. Travel claimed as a deviation expense must begin or end within 3 days of the scheduled assignment to/from which the pilot is deviating (e.g. scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day) and must proceed to the intended destination of the deviation with no greater than a 24 hour delay enroute, domestically, and a 48 hour delay enroute internationally.



I've heard of guys domestically deviating from the end city of their trip to their home town, stopping for less than 24hrs and then continuing on to their final destination.

 

The "must begin or end" within 3 days of the scheduled assignment to which the pilot is deviating, is referencing timeframe, not location. It is also to your intended destination, not your home or your base. And yes, you can expense your Rio trip.

 

Yes of course, "must begin or end within 3 days" is referencing when...But, to/from a scheduled assignment(e.g. scheduled deadhead, trip or R-day), seems to say where.

I'm not arguing it can't be done. I'm just trying to figure out how. That's why I posted that paragraph from the CBA. If I drove back to DFW, and stayed less than 24hrs, before continuing to my final destination...Then, maybe I can see how it would fall under a deviation expense.

Would I gamble the $$ on it, based on your blessing, or anyone else's answer I got here? I don't think so.

Once again, another scenario that should be answered through CE.

 

I would agree.

 

I used to do this often on, but most recently last Dec. Had a DH out of ANC on Dec 26th and used the bank to meet up with my wife and daughter in Kona, HI. We live in NC. On your expense report, the froms and tos on the tickets take care of themselves. If I lived in Anchorage, nothing would have been different.

 

You're right that CE should answer this. If I were you, I wouldn't gamble the $$ on it. However, I was clarifying for Iara what you were saying that was "IMHO" incorrect, and when I had asked CE a while back, CE concurred with me.

Here are the statements

Travel claimed as a deviation expense must begin or end within 3 days of the scheduled assignment to which the pilot is deviating.

Travel claimed as a deviation expense must begin or end within 3 days of the scheduled assignment from which the pilot is deviating.

In both cases, it is referencing time( to=before, from=after) you are anchoring the travel money to. It doesn't say assignment location.

Deviation simple rules.
The only thing that is a factor is "to or from" domicile.
Where you live doesn't matter.
Where your trip ends doesn't matter.

Example
finish in CGN
Can I leave out of FRA and have it covered, DUS, CDG or LHR? In your interpretation, where would you draw the line?

Iara, don't believe me and call CE, but I think you will find your interpretation is correct.

 

As they talked about earlier, 8.c.3.a.i.(b). Deviation from scheduled travel. (a) and (c) are quit limiting but (b) is wide open. To me it means I can deviate from scheduled travel. I am pretty sure that it was explained to me (during indoc) you can start or end your deviation in MEM or can start a trip any where to get to your 1st leg or to anywhere after your last leg. As an example, If my family was vacationing in Honolulu and I had to leave early for a trip I would have no problem buying a ticket to MEM if I had the bank.

But to add to your caution, just because last week we could do it that way does not mean that the company (and their lapdogs in CE) will not arbitrarily decide that we can no longer do it that way and fire a couple of guys to make an example.