Disputed 757 trips in Eur
04-30-2012, 03:18 PM
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Disputed 757 trips in Eur
Wanted to give a BZ to the crews in Europe. Looks like fatigue is a major concern for our crews keeping onerous pairings in open time for both seats. Thats right FO and CAPT. Hopefully the trips wont migrate to another base with the same footprint. It would not be a very supportive action for out FDA pilots for some MEM crews to cherry pick that stuff up come next week. As a reminder its trip 3 and 5.
04-30-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lucky7
Wanted to give a BZ to the crews in Europe. Looks like fatigue is a major concern for our crews keeping onerous pairings in open time for both seats. Thats right FO and CAPT. Hopefully the trips wont migrate to another base with the same footprint. It would not be a very supportive action for out FDA pilots for some MEM crews to cherry pick that stuff up come next week. As a reminder its trip 3 and 5.
If they send em to MEM they will have to modify the layover.
INTL trip requires a minimum 12 hr layover.
04-30-2012, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Unless a bunch of Hotel STBYs show up as x pairings.
04-30-2012, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
If they send em to MEM they will have to modify the layover.
INTL trip requires a minimum 12 hr layover.
INTL trip requires a minimum 12 hr layover.
Originally Posted by Jumbo Pilot
They have been making HSBY X-Pairings in the MEM base for the past several months to cover EUR flying. I wonder if they would be able to get around the 12 hour requirement if they don't move the flying to the MEM base completely.
Para reads in part: ...If a pilot, other than a pilot on FDA, deadheads to and from an FDA to perform flying described in this paragraph, an international legal rest period shall follow each of these deadheads, but in any case a rest period of at least 18 hours after an intercontinental deadhead shall be scheduled prior to the operation of a live flight.
Not much point in having Hotel STBYs if you cant fly any trip in the area. Look at the EUR 57 FO open time. Six weeklong pairing for next week. I think there are only 2 Reserve guys, it is ugly. Of course between AVA and X Pairings they will get filled. Cant blame the Europe guys cause they will just draft someone from MEM to fill.
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04-30-2012, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
12.D.1.c.ii is what you are looking for, and as long as they give you 18 hours after your DH they can schedule you just like you live there. At least IMHO. As a matter of fact it looks like they can build a X pairing that does not have the 12 hr international rest period.
Para reads in part: ...If a pilot, other than a pilot on FDA, deadheads to and from an FDA to perform flying described in this paragraph, an international legal rest period shall follow each of these deadheads, but in any case a rest period of at least 18 hours after an intercontinental deadhead shall be scheduled prior to the operation of a live flight.
Not much point in having Hotel STBYs if you cant fly any trip in the area. Look at the EUR 57 FO open time. Six weeklong pairing for next week. I think there are only 2 Reserve guys, it is ugly. Of course between AVA and X Pairings they will get filled. Cant blame the Europe guys cause they will just draft someone from MEM to fill.
Para reads in part: ...If a pilot, other than a pilot on FDA, deadheads to and from an FDA to perform flying described in this paragraph, an international legal rest period shall follow each of these deadheads, but in any case a rest period of at least 18 hours after an intercontinental deadhead shall be scheduled prior to the operation of a live flight.
Not much point in having Hotel STBYs if you cant fly any trip in the area. Look at the EUR 57 FO open time. Six weeklong pairing for next week. I think there are only 2 Reserve guys, it is ugly. Of course between AVA and X Pairings they will get filled. Cant blame the Europe guys cause they will just draft someone from MEM to fill.
If you are based in MEM you are on an INTL pairing when sitting Hotel STBY in CDG. The 12 hour rest is still required. I have been delayed in Asia for that very reason.
04-30-2012, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
If you are based in MEM you are on an INTL pairing when sitting Hotel STBY in CDG. The 12 hour rest is still required. I have been delayed in Asia for that very reason.
12.D.1.c.: Trips in the following categories may be scheduled in accordance with domestic parameters rather than international parameters. When such trip(s) are built, they will be designated as being subject to domestic or international parameters, as applicable.
12.D.1.c.ii: FDA trips operated exclusively within the “European theater.” For purposes of this provision, Section 12.D.1.c.ii., the “European theater” includes airports west of 40 degrees east longitude, north of 35 degrees north latitude and east of 10 degrees west longitude. If a pilot, other than a pilot on FDA, deadheads to and from an FDA to perform flying described in this paragraph (LAG says: that means 12.D.1.c above), an international legal rest period shall follow each of these deadheads, but in any case a rest period of at least 18 hours after an intercontinental deadhead shall be scheduled prior to the operation of a live flight.
Read the whole paragraph it is designed to allow flying in FDAs without the 12 rest period. The whole point of this paragraph is to allow MEM pilots to fly any Europe FDA trips.
04-30-2012, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I still say no. Were you flying a Europe FDA pairing? Here is the part I left out and thought you could read for yourself:
12.D.1.c.: Trips in the following categories may be scheduled in accordance with domestic parameters rather than international parameters. When such trip(s) are built, they will be designated as being subject to domestic or international parameters, as applicable.
12.D.1.c.ii: FDA trips operated exclusively within the “European theater.” For purposes of this provision, Section 12.D.1.c.ii., the “European theater” includes airports west of 40 degrees east longitude, north of 35 degrees north latitude and east of 10 degrees west longitude. If a pilot, other than a pilot on FDA, deadheads to and from an FDA to perform flying described in this paragraph (LAG says: that means 12.D.1.c above), an international legal rest period shall follow each of these deadheads, but in any case a rest period of at least 18 hours after an intercontinental deadhead shall be scheduled prior to the operation of a live flight.
Read the whole paragraph it is designed to allow flying in FDAs without the 12 rest period. The whole point of this paragraph is to allow MEM pilots to fly any Europe FDA trips.
12.D.1.c.: Trips in the following categories may be scheduled in accordance with domestic parameters rather than international parameters. When such trip(s) are built, they will be designated as being subject to domestic or international parameters, as applicable.
12.D.1.c.ii: FDA trips operated exclusively within the “European theater.” For purposes of this provision, Section 12.D.1.c.ii., the “European theater” includes airports west of 40 degrees east longitude, north of 35 degrees north latitude and east of 10 degrees west longitude. If a pilot, other than a pilot on FDA, deadheads to and from an FDA to perform flying described in this paragraph (LAG says: that means 12.D.1.c above), an international legal rest period shall follow each of these deadheads, but in any case a rest period of at least 18 hours after an intercontinental deadhead shall be scheduled prior to the operation of a live flight.
Read the whole paragraph it is designed to allow flying in FDAs without the 12 rest period. The whole point of this paragraph is to allow MEM pilots to fly any Europe FDA trips.
IF your interpretation is correct, it is just one more jewel we gave away for a couple of magic beans
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