FDX May Classes Cancelled
 

Does anyone know why they cancelled the May newhire Classes. Had a buddy ready to start May 14th. He got a call last week that all newhire classes are cancelled for now with no explanation.

I've "heard" its primarily due to issues with the bid.

I've also "heard" that there will be a class in June.

Did you "hear" what is the issue with the bid? :rolleyes:

HKG.........

You don't say, complete shocker:)

I also "heard" the bid was coming out over a week ago. Obviously, it didn't...

Of course the company is requesting voluntary vacation cancellations for Jun in both seats for HKG......I wonder how many takers there will be???

crew bus driver said there is a company-wide hiring freeze in effect until further notice

Except for private investigators.......:rolleyes:

That's funny!!:eek:

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Those are private contractors....so, no soup for them :rolleyes:

Vee vant to know ver you live and ver are yur children?

So........In the middle of a huge 'Hullabaloo" in HKG the CP HKG has "Decided" to return to the line........Yeah right.......And a non-member to boot.......welcome back.......:rolleyes:
Now lets re-instate the fired four with full pay and retro benefits........that might be a good start MGMT for reasonable good will in bargaining......:cool:

I would be willing to bet that a high percentage of HKG guys
Have changed there standing bid to reflect their desire to leave
The base. Fedex is trying to think their way around this. Finally
The contract is putting FDX in a bind.

When do you think they'll be forced to play the, "Hello, this is KD from FedEx, we have A class for you, HKG FO, take it or leave it."?

That or nada...

Last 2 questions for the HKG FDX interview:
Are you single with no kids?
Would you be willing to supply your own ankle bracelet?

MD11HOG
Last 2 questions for the HKG FDX interview:
Are you single with no kids?
Would you be willing to supply your own ankle bracelet?
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That made me laugh.

Why? What's the deal?


I heard that Fedex fired several pilots who were gaming the system and trying to score some extra cash with the HKG domicile. Is that true? If so, why should they get their job back if they are guilty of fraud?

Because they're not.

So what's the full story? From what I've read, they were given the chance to 'fess up and would have been fine, but decided not to, and then were fired.

Start here...

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ots-fired.html

They werent gaming the system the game was rigged.

ShyGuy = Labor Relations troll.

You betcha

How's asking a question trolling in regards to what happened at FDX? All I know is that a few guys were fired, and am trying to learn why.

without a union there could be illegitimate reasons. yes? no?

ShyGuy,

The answer is as simple as complicated. The fired pilots believed that they were following the rules the way ALPA interpreted and they thought they were ok. The company has decided that their interpretations of the rules(LOA) is different from ALPA's interpretation. The HGK pilots asked for a clarification of the rules from ALPA and the company and none has been given so far. The company decided to terminate the pilots because they have not followed their rules. The problem is.... no one knows what the rules are.

There you go....

It gets even more messy than that.
The company is playing fast and loose with its own "interpretation" of the LOA/CBA stipulations and criteria it's using to justify the terminations.

The biggest problem is the lack of defining terms in the language, and the company even reversing clear contract language.

For instance, one of the few clearly described conditions is the pilots have 18 months to relocate, including their family. When the "amnesty" (which wasn't amnesty at all) program came out, the company said, "Just because it says 18 months, clear as day and night, in the contract, doesn't mean that's what we wanted. As of now (3+ years later) we're going to change that part and NOT honor the 18 months." (Sadly, ALPA agreed to this.) The company then applied their interpretation retroactively, and went after some pilots before the 18 months had even elapsed.

Another example is a pilot who had the full support of the HK CP, no less. He told the pilot that not only was there nothing to worry about, but that they had no reason to even consider the amnesty program. (His emails saying this were provided to the company too.) The pilot had no reason to believe anything was amiss until, well after the amnesty window had closed, the company sends a letter of investigation. The CP continued his support right up to the hearing. No reason to worry, right? You've got the support of the HKG CP. Result: Termination. Reason: What YOU read in the contract isn't what WE (MEM mgt) want it to say.

The company used its own subjective criteria to decide that certain pilots weren't in compliance, and to this day still refuses to tell any HK pilots what the criteria are. Many do not know if they are in compliance with the stipulations or not based on these secret criteria.

It gets a lot more complicated than that, but those are a couple examples to shine some light on just how messy it is.

By the way, the company was originally targeting 21 HK pilots for investigation during the time the amnesty came out, and gave those names to the union. Of the 7 who were targeted after the program expired, none of them were even on the original list. So, how were they to even know the company even had a problem with them? They didn't even get a chance to consider the program, and they obviously considered themselves as following the rules to begin with. (For avoidance of doubt, nobody in HK is going to intentionally risk their well-paid FedEx job to get a few bucks from a housing allowance in HK - it's simply too expensive to rent a flat. You do have to provide your lease to the company, and there's precious little left over after the rent is paid.)

While I'm certainly not happy with the turn of events in HKG, I'm not ready to take everything in your post as gospel.

Since Fedex doesn't operate -400s, would you care to let us know how a non-Fedex pilot has such intimate knowledge of the situation in his first post to this forum?

Excellent question. . . .

What makes you think he is not FedEx pilot?;)

Excellent question. . . . . .

I don't know who Eighteen Wheeler is, but I am a FedEx HKG based pilot and his/her assessment is spot on.

Reminds me of Larry David..

"Not everybody knows your rules Larry!"

Watch "Larry's Laws: The World According to Larry David" Video at New York Magazine

:confused: The 747-400 position listed in his profile?

Or, I guess he could be providing an elaborate :rolleyes: disguise to throw off the company APC spies. Clever.
All they know now is that he might be a trucker who is also trained in the ways of the -400. Good thing he didn't put MD-11 or A300 in the profile, they'd have IDed him after his first post.

I'm not doubting his info, unfortunately. My confidence in our union's ability to enforce our contract and LOAs is shaken regularly.

So you verify that:

ALPA "allowed" the company to pursue punitive actions prior to the 18 month deadline specified in the LOA?

A pilot was fired even after contacting his CP, verifying what he was doing was not in violation and saving the emails detailing such an exchange?

Pilots were investigated and terminated without being initially notified and offered the option to use the amnesty program?

Skepticism is great, Adlerdriver. Would that all FDX pilots had this attitude, but many remain purple punch drunk. But you can take it from another poster with close knowledge of HKG events: EighteenWheeler knows what he's talking about here. His post is 100% true based on my own personal knowledge. More details of these cases will become public when the AK State Commission on Human Rights finishes its investigation phase and starts prosecting FDX (3 initial complaints plus, I think, 3 more complaints of retaliation filed so far), and when these four termination cases proceed to arbitration.

Keep in mind that so far none of the fired pilots has had his/her day in court/arbitration, with an opportunity to confront witnesses or even to submit their own testimony. Meanwhile FDX continues to refuse to release information that would show just how arbitrary and inconsistent its prosecution of the fired pilots has been. The ASCHR has subpoena powers, so FDX's attempts to obstruct justice won't last forever. BS's return to the line is a good indication that the company knows how vulnerable its own managers have made it in this case -- no doubt that's among the reasons the company has hired outside counsel to represent it in AK.

Alaskan, I think many of us on this board would appreciate it if you kept us up to date on any significant findings or actions regarding this situation.

Thanks!

Excellent question ;)

Think about it, ever thought he might be married to one? He might also be a hunter.
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