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Old 06-03-2012, 12:01 PM
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Shouldn't the appeals be about done by now?
Anyone have any new info?
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:13 PM
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Shouldn't the appeals be about done by now?
Anyone have any new info?

Yes, the appeals are fnished. To no one's surprise, the company is holding its course, full steam ahead into legal troubles.

1) Alaska is due to complete its investigation by late July. Then the state will try to get the company to settle. If the company refuses, which is likely given its past history of pigheadedness, the state will file a complaint against FedEx.

2) There may be a suit against the company in at least one other state within the next couple of months.

3) ALPA is working with the four former HKG pilots to schedule arbitration hearings. Sometime next fall into early winter is likely.

4) The company can always try more settlement offers, but as state human rights commissions pile on, the pilots are probably less likely to take settlements requiring them to pay back huge (already spent) sums and/or live under the Sword of Damocles.

If you didn't lie to the company, you shouldn't have to live like this.
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Yes, the appeals are fnished. To no one's surprise, the company is holding its course, full steam ahead into legal troubles.

1) Alaska is due to complete its investigation by late July. Then the state will try to get the company to settle. If the company refuses, which is likely given its past history of pigheadedness, the state will file a complaint against FedEx.

2) There may be a suit against the company in at least one other state within the next couple of months.

3) ALPA is working with the four former HKG pilots to schedule arbitration hearings. Sometime next fall into early winter is likely.

4) The company can always try more settlement offers, but as state human rights commissions pile on, the pilots are probably less likely to take settlements requiring them to pay back huge (already spent) sums and/or live under the Sword of Damocles.

If you didn't lie to the company, you shouldn't have to live like this.
Will any of these complaints/suits/hearings be open to the General Public, so anyone interested may hear the unflitered arguments/reasoning by all parties involved?

(....What ever happened to Court TV?? Do they take requests???)
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Sad arrangement Gents , one thing for sure ......... ALPA cannot guarantee anything here and the company will do whatever they legally desire ............. There is such a thing as the 800 pound Gorilla
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Why were they terminated ?
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Why were they terminated ?
because they failed to live up to their end of the signed bargain. details will be out soon enough.
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because the company changed the rules midstream and thus they failed to live up to their end of the signed bargain. details will be out soon enough.
fixed it for you
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because they failed to live up to their end of the signed bargain. details will be out soon enough.

wood prop = company troll or smug, self-delusioned pilot. If the latter, I guess he or she needs to believe "this won't happen to me because I always follow the rules." Unfortunately, that approach, while laudable, doesn't always work with this company. Given what I've heard, the four fired pilots were actually among the most forthcoming at the HKG base. Maybe they should have lied, or at least kept their heads below the horizon. There are pilots in HKG now whose residency and family situations are very similar to that of the fired pilots.

The reason the company gave for the terminations is that the pilots lied. Which is very interesting, given that they disclosed to the company all the facts relevant to their HKG residency situations, and repeatedly asked the company for additional guidance on its interpretation of the LOA. They never got any response except when they asked if they should renew their apartment leases and were told "yes."

Details will be out soon enough. State Human Rights Commission complaints are, I believe, public information.
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because they failed to live up to their end of the signed bargain. details will be out soon enough.
What they signed was no bargain.

Good job acting tough on something that isn't hitting you between the legs.


Working on that management job I see.
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because they failed to live up to their end of the signed bargain. details will be out soon enough.
Wood Prop,

What an incredibly uninformed statement. You obviously have no information about the circumstances or people involved. Hope I never get you on my jury.

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