And you don't think they'd do that in a heartbeat? You ready to do 4a2b again just because they won't stop hiring based on their own forecasts?

I've had to say this so many times already in my career but here goes -- I VOTED NO!! I voted no because 4a2b wasn't addressed and it may well bite us in the a$$ again.

PIPE

 

The baby buses and MD-10's are going the 727 is being retired at a faster rate, the A-300-600 are on the chopping block (the older ones anyway), and the 777 purchases are being stretched out, that is the bad news. Now the good, the purchases of the 777 did increase, a lot more 757's are coming, and the 767's arrive next year, a 150 or so pilots will hit 65 this years, and the training center is almost doubling in size. Take it all in, we are not in that bad a shape.

 

3point,

Perhaps you're correct, but please don't attempt to stop guys from spewing their negativism here, because for some, it's what they live for.

JJ

 

no need to drag up old talks but 4a2b was "addressed" but obviously not to the extent any of us would like. There are BLG spreads and most importantly there is an exit clause. I agree with all that it needs much much more but I for one still believe we would still not have a CBA or a 4a2b solution to date if not for the short term CBA.

just look at the stuff coming out from the company, things are going well but it sounds like you (and I) and worried about a double dip and I think that is not an environment that would have yielded a full up TA to date. Could it have been done now? sure, but we are still less than 2 years from the 06 CBA amendable date, however we are now less than 9 months from section 6 now so I am looking forward to the new opportunities ahead for our Union to further address all of the important things remaining.

i respect your no vote reasons, but your no vote or my yes vote really mean nothing right now. what matters is our next vote.

 

Or the next vote after that.

But you lost me on this part:

"but I for one still believe we would still not have a CBA or a 4a2b solution to date if not for the short term CBA. "

I guess you mean we slipped the hard decisions. We all acknowledge that the interim CBA slipped everything 2 years to the right, we just disagree on whether cgn was leverage or not and whether we will have a stronger hand nine months from now or not.

 

you got it, it was leverage, and ALPA used it for the short term CBA...no disagreement on that. ALPA could have also passed a standalone LOA and got nothing else than more money for the FDA pilots and not capitalized on that leverage except to improve the FDA's.? Or was it a large enough trinket to drive a fix to all our needs??? doubt it, real leverage is not something the Company wants...it is what we want and how we act collectively to achieve it. but i digress.

glad we had this little chat (i like that...)

 

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And yet I keep responding to your stalking, I guess I'll never learn.

 

The company claimed that costing the pending FAA rest rules were the company excuse. Guess what - that is still an open item in Congress.

PIPE

 

exactly! do you think that large chasm of the unknown would have led the Company to settle the CBA to date??? not and we are 6% richer while we wait for the air to clear.