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Unknown Rider 01-15-2013 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFDX (Post 1330396)
I bet you do.:D


I bet you're on the 777 aren't you!:D

FDXLAG 01-15-2013 07:27 AM

Squabbling on APC, so unbecoming. I wish that guy who lectured me about would come back.

BrownClown 01-15-2013 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1330594)
Squabbling on APC, so unbecoming. I wish that guy who lectured me about would come back.

Are you talking about moi????

FDXLAG 01-15-2013 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by BrownClown (Post 1330712)
Are you talking about moi????

No you are the guy who cant back up any of his slanders. ;)

BrownClown 01-15-2013 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1330756)
No you are the guy who cant back up any of his slanders. ;)

Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're referring to our little discussion a few months back, well, I got tired of arguing with a narcissistic, menstruating teenage girl.

FDXLAG 01-15-2013 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by BrownClown (Post 1330806)
Huh? I have no idea what you're talking about. If you're referring to our little discussion a few months back, well, I got tired of arguing with a narcissistic, menstruating teenage girl.

Ashley, you are the one who came to me why so defensive. But I will take the advice of USMCFDX and not engage you in reciprical hair pulling.

BrownClown 01-15-2013 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1330839)
Ashley, you are the one who came to me why so defensive. But I will take the advice of USMCFDX and not engage you in reciprical hair pulling.

Good advice, Corky.

dckozak 01-15-2013 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob (Post 1330072)
......
On 3/4 engine aircraft, one engine shall be shut down at TOD.......

Hey it could be worse. They could ask for shutdown at TOC :eek::D

JustUnderPar 01-15-2013 07:58 PM

Since Scott Davis cannot manage to pull one acquisition or merger together and has single handedly increased UPS's Debt up by 5X since his tenure......I believe he will be on the ticket for the next US President.

JustUnderPar 01-15-2013 08:01 PM

Oh. I forgot he managed to give himself and the UPS BOD of nice hefty raise since he has been on board!

Annie E. Casey board, are you there? Get rid of this clown!! You are the only one with the votes!!

LeftWing 01-16-2013 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob (Post 1329772)
Apparently, the EC prefers more people on EU welfare than working. TNT, having lost much of their business in the wake of the pending deal to mainly DHL is now so weak that they will ultimately fail, leaving untold thousands out of work entirely instead of at least some working for UPS.

But the EU held strong for European sovereignty and can hold their heads high...in the unemployment lines. :rolleyes:

Yawn :rolleyes:

Gunter 01-16-2013 09:49 AM

Yawn if you want but it's happening. The government bureaucrats and business elite are circling the wagons to protect their own interests.

Their message to youth trying to find jobs - No soup for you!

FDXLAG 01-16-2013 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 1331720)
Yawn if you want but it's happening. The government bureaucrats and business elite are circling the wagons to protect their own interests.

Their message to youth trying to find jobs - No soup for you!

Leftwing response: Let them eat free birthcontrol.

LeftWing 01-16-2013 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 1331720)
Yawn if you want but it's happening. The government bureaucrats and business elite are circling the wagons to protect their own interests.

Their message to youth trying to find jobs - No soup for you!

I know that jobs are not exactly plentiful. However, no one can say that the EC prefers that people are on some kind of welfare instead employed, at least with any shred of intellectual honesty.

Sideshow Bob 01-17-2013 01:01 AM


Originally Posted by LeftWing (Post 1332335)
I know that jobs are not exactly plentiful. However, no one can say that the EC prefers that people are on some kind of welfare instead employed, at least with any shred of intellectual honesty.

Nevermind the realities when empty platitudes and room temp IQ bumper stickers can be pasted over it.

Because the EC nuked it there WILL be fewer jobs...TNT will now fail.

jungle 01-17-2013 07:17 AM

TNT was and is failing, what made it attractive was that it could have been repaired.

The eurocrats demanded that any buyer must run it in failure mode, once again proving that central planning can never generate a viable business.

Never have, never will. Meanwhile EU unemployment rates spiral ever higher.

Busboy 01-17-2013 08:03 AM

Trying not to look at it through brown colored glasses(or purple, for that matter)...

Could it be that the EU really is concerned about competition? It seems, what you're saying about jobs is that if/when TNT fails...the TNT percentage of the market will just become a void? That their competitors will not hire the people to grow their share of that market?

We've seen in this country how a duopoly in the express/freight business can affect employment. Just ask the Emery/Airborne/DHL folks. Have we, FDX/UPS, hired an equal number of people that were lost at those companies?

FDXLAG 01-17-2013 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1332641)
Trying not to look at it through brown colored glasses(or purple, for that matter)...

Could it be that the EU really is concerned about competition? It seems, what you're saying about jobs is that if/when TNT fails...the TNT percentage of the market will just become a void? That their competitors will not hire the people to grow their share of that market?

We've seen in this country how a duopoly in the express/freight business can affect employment. Just ask the Emery/Airborne/DHL folks. Have we, FDX/UPS, hired an equal number of people that were lost at those companies?

So you are saying you opposed the auto bailouts? ;)

I agree with the concept but in practice the favors or the favors denied go to whomever is in favor with the pondscum in charge. Solyndra.

Gunter 01-17-2013 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1332641)
Trying not to look at it through brown colored glasses(or purple, for that matter)...

Could it be that the EU really is concerned about competition?

The EU doesn't want more foreign based ownership or control of business conducted within the EU. Is that good or bad?

It's bad, for younger workers within the EU, when they disapprove mergers and acquisitions that support the old way of doing business that is failing due to inefficiency and, at times, incredible cronyism and corruption.

Auto bailouts are an interesting example to throw out there. It was an inevitable result of opening up to imports and I don't think it was too much to pay for maintaining a long term minority share of the market. Think trade deficit. You know, that thingee the press can't seem to fully appreciate or focus on.

We are now dominated by Japanese and Korean makers with tariffs down. The transition has been slow since the 1980's but I think we have ultimately supported an opening of our auto market. Even our long standing tariffs on pickup trucks are gone. The EU cannot make such a claim.

jungle 01-17-2013 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1332641)
Trying not to look at it through brown colored glasses(or purple, for that matter)...

Could it be that the EU really is concerned about competition? It seems, what you're saying about jobs is that if/when TNT fails...the TNT percentage of the market will just become a void? That their competitors will not hire the people to grow their share of that market?

We've seen in this country how a duopoly in the express/freight business can affect employment. Just ask the Emery/Airborne/DHL folks. Have we, FDX/UPS, hired an equal number of people that were lost at those companies?

Close, but no cigar.

What the EU has done is eliminate competition within their own area, driving DHL to a more favorable position by government driven monopoly. Lack of competition is always a bad deal for consumers.

Mercedes and BMW did not build plants in the SE US because they liked grits, they built plants to take advantage of low taxes and fewer regulations and to improve their ability to compete.

Government sponsored monoplies are always a bad idea, our postal service and public school system serve as painful reminders of this fact.

Providing an environment that encourages capital flow into your country benefits everyone, making it hard to do business and discouraging investment hurts everyone and the state.

Busboy 01-17-2013 12:05 PM

Yah, you guys are right. It's just too bad they can't think these things through. :rolleyes:

FDXLAG 01-17-2013 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 1332886)
Yah, you guys are right. It's just too bad they can't think these things through. :rolleyes:

There is your mistake, you think logic trumps greed. Free stuff wins every time.


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