Just wondring how our LOA compares to how other airlines who have operated the 757/767 for years? FYI in 1989 just after the FTL merger the 6 DC-8-73's were paid as NB pay but then we just had the FCH (Flightcrew Handbook) which was easily ammended, rip out the old page and add the new one!

I was not referring to the actual type of flying. Sorry for the confusion.

Typically during a RP the reserve NB pilot is 'covering' X number of NB trips each period.

A reserve WB pilot is covering Y number of WB trips for his specific airframe each period.

With a combined reserve pool now both pilots will be covering X+Y number of trips.

Lots of efficiencies gained by the company with a combined reserve pool.

Here's another topic for discussion...

B.4.c. For purposes of draft assignment as provided in Section 25.O., the B767 and B757 pilots shall be considered a single pool of available pilots.

You are a 76 CA/FO...how many times will you be called for a 76 DRF
trip knowing CRS will start with the most junior pilot, most likely a 75 CA/FO, in the single pool?

One would think it would be reasonable if its a 76 trip it should be offered to the most junior 76 CA/FO first...

Not wearing a tin hat, looking for black helicopters, etc....just some open dialogue.


25.O. Draft (DRF)
1. CRS shall offer a DRF assignment in reverse seniority order to pilots who are legal and available for that assignment

Wouldn't the pay be the same for either the 76 CA/FO or the 75 CA/FO?
If the 75 guy flys it he gets paid WB. If the 76 guy flys it he gets paid WB. I may be missing something, but...

sentence number 2 is relevant to this discussion:

"The first pilot offered a DRF assignment shall be the next pilot senior
to the last pilot who accepted a DRF assignment."

The list goes via inverse seniority but does not start over at the bottom each time. Other than being a larger list, chances are contractually the same as any other crew seat.

If you are bored and want to do some light reading, pull up the past pay rate cases, if you want to save time the basis of the current FDX pay rate structure is the a/c in question had 1 aisle in pax config then = NB and two aisle = WB. The A380 was deemed worthy "a new category" (called 757 flame bait category :)).

Most airlines that operate both have either the same rate or one that is marginally higher for the 767 and not a 30 plus dollar difference that we have NB-WB. Usually for airlines that have a difference pay for non flying events is based on a blended rate of the 2. They typically have the ability to fly both types and various models but the Company's also typically do not mix flying within a pairing and lines if they still have lines that is. PBS systems typically see the 767 flying taken at the higher seniority levels obviously due to pay and type of flying etc. A quick scan of APC airline data for UAL, DL and AA will give you a pretty quick idea.

Not sure I understand the point of this statement?

your post talked about the chances for a 767 CA/FO could be "less" than a 757 due to the seniority going inverse in draft (my interpretation of your discussion point). Draft does go in inverse, but the list does not always reset at the bottom rather it picks up at the pilot who last accepted a draft trip so I was simply saying that the draft "probability" is no less than any other crew position other than the fact that the list is larger. However you can be drafted for trips in either A/C model.

If a 76 trip is available for draft, the choice to accept/refuse that trip, normally, would first go to the most junior pilot holding the 76. With the LOA single pool concept, this is definitely not the case. The choice will go to the most junior pilot holding either 76 or 75, most likely a 75 pilot.

Does this still maintain the seniority rights of the most junior holding 76 pilot?

With a separate pool, the junior 76 pilot would most definitely get first choice per 25.O.

I knew I was missing something...