FDX APR disputed pairings
03-29-2013, 06:32 PM
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The company didn't have a 757 FO to completely cover trip 76 for Mar 30. They had to split it up at the end. However, the second half of the pairing hasn't been picked up and it isn't listed as an x pairing. Trip 298 on the 2 apr.
03-30-2013, 05:07 AM
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Cloud, I think you meant to post this here:
This is a change from policy in the past! I was told that "disputed pairing" was a misnomer. It is not the pairing that is disputed but a sequence in the pairing. If that sequence is continually flown voluntarily then the dispute will not hold up. 
Originally Posted by CloudSailor
Below is a cut and paste from our LEC's letter. This point is regarding pilots from other domiciles deadheaded in to fly a DP:
12. By adding international deadheads to give a CGN trip to MEM, the trip is technically no longer a disputed pairing. Ultimately, if voluntarily flown by a MEM crew, it does not count against the process.
12. By adding international deadheads to give a CGN trip to MEM, the trip is technically no longer a disputed pairing. Ultimately, if voluntarily flown by a MEM crew, it does not count against the process.
03-30-2013, 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxKts
Cloud, I think you meant to post this here:
I guess what counts in that description is that if it the revised pairing (same sequence with int'l DH's in this case) is VOLUNTARILY flown, it still DOES NOT count against the DP process.
I see that as good news in that, for example, if a MEM crew picks up a CGN trip that is was a DP without the int'l DH, said MEM crew would not need to find out whether the pairing is a DP or not, since they would not be hurting the process. I would imagine, but am not saying this is a fact, that this same logic applies to ANC-LAX-MEM MD11, and HKG-MEM Airbus.
03-30-2013, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by CloudSailor
Yep, thanks for the help Max.
I guess what counts in that description is that if it the revised pairing (same sequence with int'l DH's in this case) is VOLUNTARILY flown, it still DOES NOT count against the DP process.
I see that as good news in that, for example, if a MEM crew picks up a CGN trip that is was a DP without the int'l DH, said MEM crew would not need to find out whether the pairing is a DP or not, since they would not be hurting the process. I would imagine, but am not saying this is a fact, that this same logic applies to ANC-LAX-MEM MD11, and HKG-MEM Airbus.
I guess what counts in that description is that if it the revised pairing (same sequence with int'l DH's in this case) is VOLUNTARILY flown, it still DOES NOT count against the DP process.
I see that as good news in that, for example, if a MEM crew picks up a CGN trip that is was a DP without the int'l DH, said MEM crew would not need to find out whether the pairing is a DP or not, since they would not be hurting the process. I would imagine, but am not saying this is a fact, that this same logic applies to ANC-LAX-MEM MD11, and HKG-MEM Airbus.
03-30-2013, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Fedex999999
Most guys don't care. I recently flew one leg with a front end crew that was on an 11 day DP. FO got it on reserve. Captain picked it up (not his first.) It was the last leg, I asked the FO if he had been doing a sleep log, if he knew it was a DP, etc. He didn't care. Didn't do a log. Didn't care the captain picked it up. That's typical.
The folks here seem to care, but we are the "twelve angry men." Most guys are apathetic. Don't forget our motto- "it's all about ME!"
The folks here seem to care, but we are the "twelve angry men." Most guys are apathetic. Don't forget our motto- "it's all about ME!"
03-31-2013, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Huck
Give it a rest.
Give us a better way to spot the d-bags, then.
Give us a better way to spot the d-bags, then.
04-01-2013, 07:15 AM
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It’s rather easy to take the SIG list of published DPs and see who’s picking up these trips versus being forced to do it as a reserve.
That said, we all of course need to comply with the conduct standards published by ALPA and the company. But, after meeting those standards, there are no requirements to do anything extra for these people, especially if they fly the same seat that you do. Thus, if they ask to trip-trade, swap vacation, or trade a training date…they can forget it. We owe them none of these extra nice things. And while you can’t deny them a jumpseat, if they ask to ride up front, they can forget that too.
Our SIG team works really hard to provide each of us a reasonable quality of life with safety being their first priority. Anyway legitimate way we can properly support the SIG is worth the effort.
That said, we all of course need to comply with the conduct standards published by ALPA and the company. But, after meeting those standards, there are no requirements to do anything extra for these people, especially if they fly the same seat that you do. Thus, if they ask to trip-trade, swap vacation, or trade a training date…they can forget it. We owe them none of these extra nice things. And while you can’t deny them a jumpseat, if they ask to ride up front, they can forget that too.
Our SIG team works really hard to provide each of us a reasonable quality of life with safety being their first priority. Anyway legitimate way we can properly support the SIG is worth the effort.
04-02-2013, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Velcro Captain
It’s rather easy to take the SIG list of published DPs and see who’s picking up these trips versus being forced to do it as a reserve.
That said, we all of course need to comply with the conduct standards published by ALPA and the company. But, after meeting those standards, there are no requirements to do anything extra for these people, especially if they fly the same seat that you do. Thus, if they ask to trip-trade, swap vacation, or trade a training date…they can forget it. We owe them none of these extra nice things. And while you can’t deny them a jumpseat, if they ask to ride up front, they can forget that too.
Our SIG team works really hard to provide each of us a reasonable quality of life with safety being their first priority. Anyway legitimate way we can properly support the SIG is worth the effort.
That said, we all of course need to comply with the conduct standards published by ALPA and the company. But, after meeting those standards, there are no requirements to do anything extra for these people, especially if they fly the same seat that you do. Thus, if they ask to trip-trade, swap vacation, or trade a training date…they can forget it. We owe them none of these extra nice things. And while you can’t deny them a jumpseat, if they ask to ride up front, they can forget that too.
Our SIG team works really hard to provide each of us a reasonable quality of life with safety being their first priority. Anyway legitimate way we can properly support the SIG is worth the effort.
10,11,16,17,18,23,24 and 25. Only one of those crewmembers operating those trips (thus far) has been assigned it on reserve.
So, I wonder what the conversation is like all the way out to PHX? "Wow, this trip sucks. I didn't know it was a Disputed Pairing, did you?" Thanks to all the selfish ones, you can look forward to this being in our bid pack permanently.
UNSAT, folks....truly UNSAT.
04-03-2013, 05:01 AM
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If the pairing is revised before it is voluntarily picked up, it is hard to spot as disputed. Some would say it is no longer disputed --- but it is no longer reviewable by the PSIT. IMHO, it remains disputed in principle. But picking up a DP before revision undermines not just the SIG but our entire group. Picking up a DP with the hopes of a revision is not a hall pass. Nor flying a DP that is subsequently revised (say mid-trip). A DP is a DP and if it is flown voluntarily, they should hear about it. For those who believe it goes unnoticed.... wrong. You are being noticed! Reputations soon follow.
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