Gunter

Making wide body pay while instructing/flying a narrow body is considered an entitlement to some.

I don't begrudge this deal or want it to go away, but lets recognize it for what it is. It's a gift from the the company. The presumption is we have a temporary need to keep these highly qualified instructors in place until narrow body line holders can do the job. The company can tell any narrow body crewmember pulling down wide body pay they are going to training next month. Sometimes they have.

So lets stop saying someone got "screwed" because the company did just that. Any time you bid out of the seat you are instructing you put your "special job" at risk.

Huck

I think the plan is to give this all work to the professionals (non-seniority ones) anyway. This will be a moot point in a few years.

Mister Nobody

First of all, I'm pretty junior and I'm thinking about my future. I have no intention to ever fly the 777 and I see an all Boeing fleet at FDX in the future. I eventually, and this is a long time down the road, see myself upgrading to the 75 and staying put. So no, I am not trying to strip 75 flying as a 76 guy. In fact, I'm thinking the opposite direction.

I can see your point of view but, I strongly feel this part limits everyone's, 75 and 76 pilots, ability to improve their quality of life through bid line adjustments. Bid line adjustments are first come fist served. So, the way I see it, I hold 75 and I have a horrible trip. The only thing to swap with is a 76 trip. In my opinion, I should be allowed to do so since I'm qualified. As long as I get to it in VIPS first. I agree that a 76 guy could come in and chase the good 75 open time. But, that is a small price to pay for the ability to improve quality of life.

You never know, some 76 guy may think he's got a bad trip and drops it into open time to pick up a 75 trip. A 75 guy thinks the 76 trip is golden and picks it up. Not only does the 75 pilot improve his line but, he gets the added benefit of additional pay for flying the 76.

If pay is your only issue, and I'm guessing it is. I would suggest that bid line adjustments are treated differently than bid trips. If a 76 pilot picks a 75 trip he gets narrow body pay. As it stands now a 75 pilot on a 76 trip would already receive wide body pay. If that were the case could you see the additional benefit? Actually, I am a little surprised that the company allowed the LOA in it's present form. I was expecting the 75/76 to be a completely combined bid pack. In my mind if you fly a 76, wide body pay if you fly a 75, narrow body.

As far as giving up something to get this. My guess, and I have nothing to prove this, is that the negotiators wanted it this way and not the company. So, there shouldn't be any give back. FYI, had there been a combined pool for open time my vote would be a yes!

FDXLAG

Bid line adjustments after open time is released is first come first served (essentially) but Gunter point mainly concerns the view add window when the guys who have Carry Over can and do cherry pick all of the good stuff.

MaxKts

Aren't you contradicting yourself?

Rock

From reading a few posts in this thread it sounds like people think 75 and 76 trips will be pooled together in open time for pilots operating either aircraft to pick up. Read LOA B 4a again...

4. Open time in B757/767 bases shall be administered as follows:
a. For the purposes of Section 25.L. (Bid Line Adjustments) and 25.N. (Volunteer), the B757 and B767 shall be considered separate, without any ability to cross between them.

If you are on the 75, unless you can bid R24 and the company undermans the 76, you have almost no chance of flying a 76 trip. Conversely, 75 trips can be built into 76 lines as part of the normal line building process. I suspect that is so lines eventually can be built starting with 76 legs to Europe, followed by 75 legs inside Europe.

Mister Nobody

I don't think so. My point is that you should get paid for what you fly. Maybe I did not make that clear. But, that is what I'm trying to say.

Mister Nobody

That was the reason for my initial post. This is the only part of the LOA that I am concerned with. It is so important to me that I am voting against the LOA. However, I think I am in the minority. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and luckily, we all have a vote. I just wanted to bring this point out to ensure that everyone understands that this section has the possibility of limiting quality of life adjustments.

Thanks!

Rock

It does seem a bit inconsistent that reserve is pooled but open time is not. I wonder why that distinction has been made. It gives the company more flexibility than pilots.

FXDX

You realize that our initial objective was separate bid packs right?