pdo bump

Really ridiculous statement.

TonyC

That terms seems to really strike a nerve.

OK, then, let's do this. Everybody ask your wife what your pay rate is. I'll bet you she can quote the paragraph, subparagraph, and line in the table and give you the dollar figure. Pair that with the BLG on the line you're awarded and she can give you a rough estimate of how much your pay check will be on the 1st.

Now, let's say you're a 12-year B-757 Captain. That would be §3.C.2.c., line 12 - $217.59.

Now, put yourself in the B-757 bid period package under this LOA where you may or may not get credit for a B-767 trip. Point to the dollar figure pay rate you'll use to compute your 1st of the month check. It's the same one, isn't it?

But, you might fly nothing but B-767 trips all month. (Trip revisions, substitution, etc.) You'll be filling a wide-body seat at narrow-body pay, and The Company will pay you the difference in the middle of next month.

If we were talking about B-777 flying, it would have to be done by a wide-body Captain all the time. But since we're talking about the B-767 and we have B-757 pilots on the property, we can do B-767 flying with purple B-scalers.

I explained it a different way here: http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...ml#post1378891

You may prefer a different name, but the concept is the same. We're replacing a full-time wide-body pilot with a part-time wide-body pilot. But the part-timer, in this case, works a full-time job. When he's not working as a wide-body pilot, he's working as a lower-scale narrow-body pilot.







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Gunter

Then it's safe to say Tony thinks we should have a single pay rate.

That is, of course, different than saying we have a B-scale.

This must be a new Tony who likes to throw out inflammatory phrases for effect.

TonyC

Try reading it through a few more times. That's nowhere near what I said.






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Gunter

I think you are inferring we should be on one payscale when you claim we have a B-scale. Claiming our system has a B-scale identifies it as unfair and discriminatory. The only way to eliminate our different pay scales is to establish one pay scale.

I can re-read all your references and calculations but it still points to that conclusion.

BTW, I do not share this conclusion. I don't think 727 pay is a B-scale either.

TonyC

I believe that everyone who flies a certain airplane should be on the same pay scale.


In other words, everyone who flies a B-767 should be on the wide-body pay scale -- all the time.


What this LOA does is allow The Company to treat all B-757 pilots as part-time B-767 pilots on narrow-body pay, and to pay them what amounts to an hourly override whenever they need to use them as a part-time B-767 pilot.

It's not wide-body, it's not narrow-body, it's a sub-scale of wide-body.


Of course, that constitutes an efficiency for The Company -- money they save. They save it by withholding it from our paychecks.






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TonyC

Here's another way of thinking of it:

If we were talking about reserve pay (the topic of this thread) for the A330, we wouldn't be wondering how it would be paid. We'd go straight to §3.C.2.b. and read the wide-body rate directly from the table.

Since it's a B-757 pilot flying a B-767 trip, we have to look at §3.C.2.c. (Narrow Body rates of pay) and figure out how to make up the difference to get us to §3.C.2.b. (Wide Body rates of pay), but then only for just that trip. That's not wide-body, and it's not narrow-body, it's something in between.

Doogs suggested we need a term for that. Do you prefer Rock's suggestion? (I noticed nobody gave him any grief.)






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Rock

Oh sure. Drag me into the mud pit. I'm a 75 guy and I threw in the sarcasm smilie. I'm throwing the self-deprecating humor card.

viperdriver

So what does an airport standby pay? You are sitting standby for the 757/767 which RLG do you use for the credit hours, ie if the BLG is 68 in 757 but 78 in 767 what is a standby worth?

And when you sit hotel standby in Indy for the 757/767 but never block out which pay rate is it, and which bucket of SCH did it go into?

TonyC

The Negotiating Committee Chairman in his most recent video said (at 5:00):
My first question (asked elsewhere) is where in the LOA does it say that?

My next question (also asked elsewhere) is what prevents The Company from making them all B-757 standby periods, and paying wide body pay only when they actually operate a B-767?

Another question would be, would the rules be the same for Base Standby periods? He specified Field Standby -- is that significant?






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